Kizer's single standoff construction

hermit dave

hermit dave

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I was looking at some of the Matt Cucchiaria designs and wondered if this is a sufficiently
strong construction method? It seems like a firm squeeze on the scales, could bend the standoff. Anyone with hands-on experience?
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It certainly wouldn’t be the first knife with such construction; I imagine that that the shape of the standoff (probably an hourglass) and the additional structural integrity from the contact points higher in the handle (where it meets the blade) provides enough stability to prevent issues.

Additionally, to accomplish bending the standoff, you would have to bend the scales so much they would likely warp. I think the risk of gorrila-gripping the knife that hard is extremely low unless you’ve been shooting steroids right into you finger muscles.
 
hermit dave said:
I was looking at some of the Matt Cucchiaria designs and wondered if this is a sufficiently
strong construction method? It seems like a firm squeeze on the scales, could bend the standoff. Anyone with hands-on experience?
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I think it probably should be alright unless your grip can bend titanium enough to bow it inward. There are many knives with this kind of construction and I have never heard of it being an issue.
 
There is also the stop pin providing rigidity. I doubt you need to be worried.
 
hermit dave said:
It seems like a firm squeeze on the scales, could bend the standoff.
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Can you regularly squeeze a piece of steel or Ti that is less that 1/4" wide and cylindrical and compress it by hand? How about with a 2" cheater bar (center of the scales would offer the most deflection, so the most leverage)?

If so, I feel sorry for your business partners, children, and anyone else that may shake or hold your hand.

What are your daily uses for a knife?
So long as they are cutting and not prying, leveraging open car doors, pounding into a wall or tree to stand on, you will be fine.
 
hermit dave said:
Good point, I didn't think of that. The pivot would also add support.
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I don't know if the pivot would add much support. I have had knives with blade play that had no play in the scales. The role of the pivot is to offer a fixed location for the blade to pivot on, not to offer a massive amount of structural integrity.
 
If you deform the standoff, then you might need to talk to some kind of record book because you are squeezing steel hard enough to deform it. I'd have to ask if your mother was part vise-grip.
 
Think about the pocket pry bars in various steels. They've some in Titanium as well. Some are about the same size as a knife slab and look close to the same thickness. I've got one in 1095 steel and its pretty tough, haven't deformed it yet.

If you or anyone can deform a knife like that, I feel sorry for your other body parts.:eek:
 
99.999% of people will never see a problem.

What kind of abuse were you thinking of putting this knife through that would have an issue with one back spacer screw?
 
Ok, so why do some knives have more than one? I guess the manufacturers like extra labor and materials for no reason.
And yes, I have superhuman strength and am constantly crushing knife handles.
 
hermit dave said:
Ok, so why do some knives have more than one? I guess the manufacturers like extra labor and materials for no reason.
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Aesthetics? Personal preference of the designer? Why not?

There are three reasons right there.
 
Ok, the knife I was looking at was the Kizer Bad Dog. That's a big, long handle for one standoff and looks flimsy. I opted for the Trifecta which has 2 standoffs. Would the Bad Dog ever fail?, probably not. Is the Trifecta a stronger design?, YES!! (and it's better looking)

I don't plan on hanging 800lbs of weight on my 4 Max, but I like the fact I could.
 
dkb45 said:
If you deform the standoff, then you might need to talk to some kind of record book because you are squeezing steel hard enough to deform it. I'd have to ask if your mother was part vise-grip.
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I can squeeze these together with my thumb and index finger:
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all my coworkers need pliers for it.

I don't think hermit dave hermit dave asked a dumb question. So I think we can give him some slack. More stand offs is obviously more rigid than just one, and pushing scales together is not all that difficult if the knife is long and only has two connection points at practically opposing sides. Especially a longer blade/handle, you aren't necessarily talking about bending the metal but bowing it slightly. That being said, it falls into the "nothing you should be concerned with during normal use or even hard use bordering abuse" so from a practical use standpoint, I would say they are all good to go.
 
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