Kloepper Knife Works - A long winded introduction

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Well, I finally have a quiet evening, and I've put this off too long anyway. My name is Henry Kloepper. I live in Lincoln Nebraska, and am in the process of trying to get a knife making company started. This thread is an introduction to me, my past work, and what I'm aiming for in the future as a knife maker.

I was a late bloomer when it came to working with my hands. I grew up with computers (starting with the original Apple Macintosh) and only started down the path that lead me to where I am when I had the opportunity to drive a 1971 Triumph GT6 back to West Lafayette Indiana for a friend whose parents had bought the car but lived out of state. That hooked me and within a month owned a 1970 Triumph Spitfire. Keeping that car running taught me a lot, the most important of which was that I loved tinkering. I continued to learn about how cars worked hot and heavy for a few years, when my interests were channeled into building hand made electric guitars.

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Working on guitars taught me a lot about wood. As you can tell from the pictures, the friend I was making these with and I were making almost everything. We even went so far as to do our own tree harvesting from a nice belt of dry land along the northern part of Kansas, to get Osage orange and walnut with the smallest growth rings (making them denser and less porous).

Building guitars was great, but hand grinding some of the metal parts accurately on a 6" Bench grinder was testing my patience, so we had a local machine job shop make us some of the hardest ones. While there checking on parts one day I asked if they happened to be looking to hire someone without any experience. To my surprise they had me interview with the Tube Fabrication manager. The position was for a tube laser operator(the most expensive machine in the company). I knew that my lack of experience wasn't going to outweigh the excellent interview I had, so I went to the local University library and checked out a dozen books on machining and machine shops. After a week of reading and trying to teach myself some g-code I went back to the guy who was my contact for parts and asked if there was anything else I should read before asking for a chance for a second interview. His jaw hit the floor and he called up the manager I interviewed with. He came over and talked for a bit and recommended to me another book. Two days later I was offered a job, although I took a $2/hour pay cut from my previous job it was the best thing I ever did. Within the next year both my buddy and I decided to stop making guitars. He became a fantastic bartender, and has competed successfully. I continued my journey into manufacturing.

Shortly after I was fully trained on the laser, our department purchased a CNC tube bender. Although the $250k bender was technically a step down from running a $1.2M laser, I fell in love with the machine and the art of tube bending, and requested to be the operator. Since the company has a tradition of buying machines and then building the work to meet the capacity, I had enough free time to work myself into the position where I could teach myself Autocad and Solidworks, design tooling, meet with customers engineers, quote parts, do maintenance, and eventually go on to supervise a half dozen people running around 10 machines and have 3 years under my belt as the local Society of Manufacturing Engineers chapter chair. By this time I knew that it wasn't just tube bending, I loved manufacturing.

I decided it was time to re-examine my bias against going back to school, and enrolled in an associates program for manufacturing engineering technology. While I was there I also took classes in DC electronics, digital circuits, and microcontroller programming. One of the early classes that everyone takes in the manufacturing program is Materials of Industry. In that class it was the discussion of CPM steels that lit my fire. My final paper was on A11,and by the time the class was over I had designed an automatic knife with a CPM S90V blade. Here it is during the assembly process.

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The process of making that knife tight when locked up taught me to hold off on crazy tolerance designs until I had a CNC lathe in the garage to back up my CNC mill. My manual lathe is OK, but not for things where I want to hold 0.001" or better on a regular basis. As I finished up school, and evaluated what I want to be doing in 5 years. I decided that I still wanted to be making knives, so I started planning out a run of a dozen fixed blades. All but 2 were CPM S90V, the two that weren't are CPM 3V. The 3V knives were designed around the needs of my cousin when working his parents Christmas tree farm. I made one for him and one for myself, and a third for a friend from S90V for deer processing. I've thoroughly enjoyed the knife, as has my cousin. Because I designed it for him, I named it after his son. I introduce, The Westin. (the one without the finger ring)

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The wharncliff was the knife I expected to like the most, but it turns out that sometimes we stumble onto something we love. To take up space in the nest and get better usage from my S90V, I designed a small EDC style fixed blade. I knew as soon as I held the blank it was going to be my new EDC for as long as I have a belt. The picture is the final result. Both this knife and my "Westin" were guinea pigs for finishes. The final sandblasted and sanded finish was my favorite.

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Before I knew it, every knife I wanted to sell was sold. I decided it was time to snail up (pardon the Turbo reference, I have a 5 year old boy) and make it happen. I have 40 knives that would probably be considered mid-techs in process. Very slight revisions to both the small EDC and The Westin. In addition to that I have 4 of the EDC blade with a more multi-grip friendly handle, and sized up about 35% that should make a good skinner.

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In addition to the CNC blanks I have approximately 20 knives (18 in the picture, a few were left out) that were hand cut and profiled that range from practical and traditional in shape, to strange and most likely to end up as new garage utility knives (in 3V no less), throwers, or wastes of time.

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Up to this point I have been using the name I came up with when I started machining parts in my garage, Interference Fit Co. As I have decided to pursue knife making I'll be changing the name to Kloepper Knife Works. I was hesitant to change but everyone has been encouraging me to put my name on the product. While I'd normally prefer not to be so out there in the public eye, I decided that this is a profession, skill, product, and effort that I was proud to put my name on.

If anyone actually made it through reading all of that alive, and is curious to know more, comment on my designs, or just make a joke, I look forward to your contribution. Over the last couple of months, this sub-forum has become my favorite. You guys all act like gentlemen, and I am honored if I'm able to become one of the new makers that manages to not go bankrupt :D and make new friends along the way.
 
Oh, and the shape of the hand profiled blades was determined by the laser skeleton. I find it to be a fun experiment in creativity to see what I can do with it. Some are barely knife shaped objects, let alone good knife shapes. I know this, and so will most who look at them.

I'm only expecting 50% of them to be practical or sellable. The other 50% are good practice for jigs, finishes, destruction testing, and toss around shop blades.
 
I took the time to read it all, and from my meager 21yrs of experience I want to express immense respect and admiration for your adherence to your path. After seeing your blanks I fell in love with the fourth from the right (upside down).
Any info in the specs of the particular knife shaped object?
Keep at it and much respect from a young buck!
 
I took the time to read it all, and from my meager 21yrs of experience I want to express immense respect and admiration for your adherence to your path. After seeing your blanks I fell in love with the fourth from the right (upside down).
Any info in the specs of the particular knife shaped object?
Keep at it and much respect from a young buck!

Thanks! All the blanks are CPM 3V around 0.180" thick. That particular knife is 6.20" OAL, 3.12" blade, with a blade height of 0.940". I'm planning on 4-5 degree bevels, around 0.010" behind the edge, and either micarta or G10 handle. It will probably get a side pull sheath unless the buyer (none yet, I'll make it available for sale once I have selling rights here) requests vertical carry.
 
I had a 1975 Triumph Spitfire 1500, so I know all about the tinkering part. Oh, and I've been playing the guitar for the past 20 years. That guitar looks like a soloing machine!

Welcome! Everything looks clean as can be. Good stuff.
 
Hmm, I didn't get anything. Did you get the address right? I've often had people forget the "t" in benjamintstark
 
Very nice story and an admirable road you have travelled to get here. Knife making is not an easy business to make profitable but you have the chops to pull it off in no time. All the best of luck to you (and I like the chopper the best).

Mark
 
Never bought a custom before so its probably out of my range but can you email me the price and specs on that westin? Think I just read another post you got your membership so thought it would be alright to ask. I don think I can get PMs.
Anyways that knife is my style and makes me want to give up before I even make my first one :)
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PLEASE DO NOT BUY/SEEL IN SHOP TALK.
 
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Never bought a custom before so its probably out of my range but can you email me the price and specs on that westin? Think I just read another post you got your membership so thought it would be alright to ask. I don think I can get PMs.
Anyways that knife is my style and makes me want to give up before I even make my first one :)
jnc224@comcast.net

You are correct, I just purchased my knifemakers membership last night, still waiting for them to update my profile. I'll be happy to contact you about the Westin, and what you are looking for in a knife. Hopefully I'm not too far off of the mark, I'm trying to keep my prices on this first run roughly inline with equivalent knives from Survive! knives, and while mine are slightly more elaborate, they should be attainable for anyone looking at similar sizes and materials. If all goes as planned I will be offering the basic knife in an OD green micarta handle with orange G10 liners, and a sheath (similar to the one below) for $275 on this first run. I'm also open to incorporating a black leather belt loop with the Kydex for attachment points as an alternative to the Tek-Loc clip for the same price(I've got some nice 2" black latigo, 8-9oz leather strap that I've been using to make side pull sheath straps). I have also been playing with a couple of Roto-Loc attachments, and may make those available as an option if I feel that they are going to hold up in use. If I don't get a good feeling about their durability I will eventually pursue designing my own multi-positionable belt attachment at a much later date.

I'd like to say that anyone who knows for sure they want a knife that I am working on, for a very small deposit (as long as it doesn't make it unsellable should you back out, I'm thinking like $10) I will tailor it to their specific needs. Greater behind the edge thickness, different handle materials (no cost to switch to G10), horizontal carry instead of vertical (no cost), more or less handle contouring (no cost unless it's extreme), custom etches, etc. I have already ground out the 4 skinner style blades, and I do not feel that there should be any change to the small EDC grinds until someone comes up with a REALLY convincing argument, so for those I won't be offering the custom grinds, but the rest is fair game as long as it's something I feel comfortable with. (as in no, I won't etch your favorite football team name in my knives)

I want to also make it very clear that I am at least 6-8 weeks away from the first knives being "complete" on this run, and around 6 people are already on the list for first dibs. I'm trying to get the bevels ground in on 25-30 knives before I go in for hernia surgery on Monday (9-8), and how quickly I am feeling up to starting the hand sanding process will determine when they get sent to HT. I'm tentatively planning on them going out by the 22nd of this month.

Original Westin Spec's:


Blade Material: CPM 3V, Heat treated by Peters to 60Rc
Finish: Sandblasted, then hand sanded to maintain satin finish while returning most of the slickness to the surface
OAL: 10.275"
Blade Length: 5.030"
Blade Height: 1.430" (Median, before rise near tip)
Blade Thickness: .175"
Bevel Angle: approx. 4° per side
Starting Behind the Edge Thickness: .010"
Handle Materials: OD Green Micarta with orange G10 liner(total thickness .690"), another was made with black G10 and orange G10 liners (total thickness was around .565")
Handle Assembly: 12 hour epoxy with 82° flared 304 SS tubular rivets, front rivets .185" ID, rear rivet .337" ID, sandblasted and finished with beeswax (seals surface and provides incredible initial grip with this finish on micarta, but does become a bit less grippy with time and washing; easy to re-apply if the user desires, nothing more than a hairdryer or heat gun, beeswax, and a rag is needed)
Sheath: Formed Kydex with a small Tek-loc clip

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The new Westin will be pretty much the same with some small changes to the handle shape, and the addition of a small ricasso area in case someone wants to choke up on it. Overall length goes to 10.635" because of that. I'm going to have the hardness spec'd at 60-61 on this batch with a starting behind the edge thickness of closer to .015", as my current knife shows absolutely no signs of chipping under pretty hard use at 60Rc but has deformed when hitting rock or metal.

Here's a visual comparison of the original VS one in this run that I have roughed the bevel in on. I should also mention that the Logo will change to reflect the fact that I found a name I want to use for all future knives, and the NE **USA** etch will move to the opposite side of the blade.

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All that said, I hope finding out that I got lucky and happened to design a knife that you really like doesn't deter you from designing and making one of your own one day. :thumbup:


Gratuitous roughed in bevels shot.

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Purchasing a Knifemaker membership was a good thing, thanks for stepping up and doing that.

Unfortunately, you can't do business in Shop talk, or discuss sales prices directly. Your last post was way over the line. I am closing this thread. Please do all selling in The Exchange.
 
The member has been made aware of the rules on selling, and has upgraded to Knifemaker ( still pending ), so I will re-open this thread.

I really hate closing a new members first thread, but when they haven't enabled email, I have no way of letting them know what the problem is.

To other members ( in this case, Hobbiest)- Please do not offer to buy or ask for a member to contact you about selling a knife on a thread in Shop talk. Either wait I=until it is in The Exchange, send the member a PM or email, or don't post at all. For the same reason as above, I can't contact you to tell you this by email, so I have to do it here publicly.
 
So it looks like I had email turned off to members but had it on for administrators. Bladsmth, if you or someone else has a second to try and send me an email to see if I got it all working correctly I'd appreciate it.

To those that didn't see some of the background stuff that happened today, I found out that the combination of things I was posting in this thread combined with encouraging people to contact me is too close to selling, and I should have been more selective about what this thread is about. I have no issues with what happened, and actually breathed a huge sigh of relief when I saw the thread re-opened. Thanks to the mods for your help, and helping me better understand what types of information should be where.

From here on, I'm going to keep my discussion in this thread to examples of my work, questions about me, feedback on my work, advice where you see I might need it, and requests for advice on good things to think about on the business side of a new venture like this (financial software, how to catalog knives I complete, advice on next big shop purchases, etc.)

Thanks to all for your comments and help, and now, newly made tools to help clean up my knives.

I machined these from aluminum today. Each block has different radii on the contact faces corners, and one will get a slight radius on the contact face to help with cleaning up the profile.

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