I just got my Pinnacle and had jury duty about a week later. I was so excited about it, I didn't think to leave it home. Upon entering the court house in Cambridge MA, they had a metal detector like the airport. I laid it down in the basket before going through, showing etiquette and confidence, they took it and put it in an envelope and gave me a crumpled up receipt. The LEO's made various comments and gestures that made me feel like a criminal. I was there from 8 to 3 when they told us to go home. I went downstairs and got it on the way out with more comments, like [dramatic]"Oh my", etc. I hated feeling naked without it all day, I was so happy to get it back. Anyone else have similar escapades ?
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Knife confiscated for the day
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Kindadid,
Just to make a point I went to our local courthouse with 5 guns, 8 knives, 3 pepper sprays and 2 stun guns. I put them in the locker and went on in. While putting them in the locker I got all kinds of comments most being derogitory. Upon my return I loaded back up and was escorted out by two cops. Both aksing me why I had so much firepower on me. I simply told them to look on their belt and tell me why they too carried so much firepower. When I go to downtown Jacksonville I carry a full load but that day it was just for fun to load up. It took two lockers to hold my stuff!
I actually had a cop ask me if my 3 autos where legal. I had a MT HALO, BM Mini Reflex and a STEALTH 1000 on my keychain.
Man I love Florida!
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Just to make a point I went to our local courthouse with 5 guns, 8 knives, 3 pepper sprays and 2 stun guns. I put them in the locker and went on in. While putting them in the locker I got all kinds of comments most being derogitory. Upon my return I loaded back up and was escorted out by two cops. Both aksing me why I had so much firepower on me. I simply told them to look on their belt and tell me why they too carried so much firepower. When I go to downtown Jacksonville I carry a full load but that day it was just for fun to load up. It took two lockers to hold my stuff!
I actually had a cop ask me if my 3 autos where legal. I had a MT HALO, BM Mini Reflex and a STEALTH 1000 on my keychain.
Man I love Florida!
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A couple of months ago I had Jury Duty, Brooklyn NY. I also forgot I was carrying my Walker Lt/wt, I put it in the tray at the Metel detector, I thought sure they would confiscate it. They saw a handcuff key on my keychain, and they took that instead, and let me put my knife back in my pocket. I could'nt figure it out.
I always find it interesting when I read posts about knives being confiscated.
NOBODY has the authority to confiscate a
legal item from anybody. Only a fool would give up a posession to a uniformed thug that was illegally confiscating it. Try to steal something of mine and be prepared for a battle. Of course i would allow an item to be checked in and returned to me when i left a building if that was the rules of the people that owned the building. But I will never willingly allow anybody to steal from me.
NOBODY has the authority to confiscate a
legal item from anybody. Only a fool would give up a posession to a uniformed thug that was illegally confiscating it. Try to steal something of mine and be prepared for a battle. Of course i would allow an item to be checked in and returned to me when i left a building if that was the rules of the people that owned the building. But I will never willingly allow anybody to steal from me.
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I had a Victorinox SAK confiscated when I went into a Federal building in NYC with it attached to my keyring. I put my keys in the basket, the guard grinned, pointed to a sign saying weapons aren't allowed, and took the SAK off of my keyring. It was confiscated permanantly(I'm sure the guard has a nice SAK now.).
Looks like I have to move to Florida.
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Looks like I have to move to Florida.
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About 5 yrs. ago I was picking up my wife at the Gainesville, Fla. Airport. I forgot to leave my Buck 110 in the car. Upon going thru security, I dropped it off for them to hold as it was to long of a walk back to the car and I had to go thru their metal detector and I didn't want to cause a panic.
Well, I gathered up the better half and on the way out stopped off at the security checkpoint to retrieve my 110.
They handed it to me in the open position and I asked why was it opened?
Their answer?
"We opened it to see how long it was and we couldn't figure out how to close it".
Duh...
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Well, I gathered up the better half and on the way out stopped off at the security checkpoint to retrieve my 110.
They handed it to me in the open position and I asked why was it opened?
Their answer?
"We opened it to see how long it was and we couldn't figure out how to close it".
Duh...
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Misque,
I've had people confused by linerlocks, but someone not knowing how to close a lockback completely blows my mind. What I don't understand is why they felt the need to measure one of the most common pocket knives in the world. Especially since they already had "borrowed" it from you.
I had to hand over a Spyderco Mini Dyad on my way into a Kentucky courthouse. Now there is a "weapon" to contend with! I did get it back though.
I've told this before but I'll tell it again...
I went to pick up a friend at the Louisville Airport. Upon reaching the metal detector I remembered the AFCK (full size, partial serrations) in my back pocket. I handed it to the guard so they could hold it (I KNEW I wouldn't make it through with that). The guard told me that she would check the length and that if it was 2.5" or less I could carry it. She went over to another guard and they spent a couple of minutes measuring it. They took so long I started to feel nervous. She then walked back to me and told me it was under the limit! I thought maybe it was some kind of trick, it just didn't compute. When I got home I measured just to see how they could have called a close to four inch blade under two and a half. They only measured from the point to the beginning of the serrations! I laughed so hard I nearly fell out of my chair. I won't try it again though.
The other thing I couldn't understand is why the metal detector didn't go off even though I still had a fairly large Victorinox and a Boye Basic folder in my pockets. Life is quite amusing sometimes.
I've had people confused by linerlocks, but someone not knowing how to close a lockback completely blows my mind. What I don't understand is why they felt the need to measure one of the most common pocket knives in the world. Especially since they already had "borrowed" it from you.
I had to hand over a Spyderco Mini Dyad on my way into a Kentucky courthouse. Now there is a "weapon" to contend with! I did get it back though.
I've told this before but I'll tell it again...
I went to pick up a friend at the Louisville Airport. Upon reaching the metal detector I remembered the AFCK (full size, partial serrations) in my back pocket. I handed it to the guard so they could hold it (I KNEW I wouldn't make it through with that). The guard told me that she would check the length and that if it was 2.5" or less I could carry it. She went over to another guard and they spent a couple of minutes measuring it. They took so long I started to feel nervous. She then walked back to me and told me it was under the limit! I thought maybe it was some kind of trick, it just didn't compute. When I got home I measured just to see how they could have called a close to four inch blade under two and a half. They only measured from the point to the beginning of the serrations! I laughed so hard I nearly fell out of my chair. I won't try it again though.
The other thing I couldn't understand is why the metal detector didn't go off even though I still had a fairly large Victorinox and a Boye Basic folder in my pockets. Life is quite amusing sometimes.
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While it is legal and right for the officers to take your knife while you are in the court house, it is equally legal and right for you to carry your knife outside of the courthouse. You made no attempt to be dishonest or violate the courthouse security. The officers should not have made any disparaging comments or hassled you in any way. It was unprofessional and uncalledfor. I suggest you write a letter to the presiding judge reporting this misbehavior.
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When I was in training as a court reporter and had to 'sit in' with the reporter in court, I went through security and had a Victorinox SAK Spartan in my steno case. One guard called it a weapon and threatened to confiscate it. I told him I need it in case of machine problems (it's true). He gave me a hard look and after a minute condescendingly waved me through, like he was doing me a big favor. Later I took to carrying a very small SAK when I had to go to court, like a Classic. No problems with that.
I've noticed a lot of people, including knife haters, carry a little SAK Classic on their keychain.
Jim
I've noticed a lot of people, including knife haters, carry a little SAK Classic on their keychain.
Jim
Back in the 70s when anyone with a beard was profiled as a terrorist when they tried to board a plane, a bearded friend of mine had his SAK taken before he could board a flight.
A couple of weeks later I was flying out of the same airport and they tried to take my SAK (I also have a beard) and I told them NO WAY. They finally gave up and told me to "keep it in my pocket."
I wonder how many terrorists hijack planes with SAKs.
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A couple of weeks later I was flying out of the same airport and they tried to take my SAK (I also have a beard) and I told them NO WAY. They finally gave up and told me to "keep it in my pocket."
I wonder how many terrorists hijack planes with SAKs.
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Mike,
I'd have to agree, that's a lot of toys to take out on a daily hike!
I really think you could cut it down to the following:
1 SP89 in Shoulder Rig with 4 30 rd Mags of IMI Black Tip
1 MT HALO I in its Dozier Rig
2 Pepper Spray in Belt Holsters
It should do the job
Now as far as my own experiences, I think in today's society it's pretty routine to have to check your stuff at the door, as I've also had to do so. Although the assailant responsible for the unfortunate shootings that took place on Capitol Hill a couple of months back defeated the security measures that were already in place, incidents like that one as well as the disaster at Columbine, will tend to make Security Checks more prevalent, and as a result, the day may come where you may have to check that neat little Money Clip Knife!!
I'd have to agree, that's a lot of toys to take out on a daily hike!
1 SP89 in Shoulder Rig with 4 30 rd Mags of IMI Black Tip
1 MT HALO I in its Dozier Rig
2 Pepper Spray in Belt Holsters
It should do the job
Now as far as my own experiences, I think in today's society it's pretty routine to have to check your stuff at the door, as I've also had to do so. Although the assailant responsible for the unfortunate shootings that took place on Capitol Hill a couple of months back defeated the security measures that were already in place, incidents like that one as well as the disaster at Columbine, will tend to make Security Checks more prevalent, and as a result, the day may come where you may have to check that neat little Money Clip Knife!!
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I've donated a few over the years to LEO,Security,etc. Most recently, an ancient Rigid ATS-34 folder at a local "urban emporium". Bouncer's hand scan reveals knife; he wants to keep or tell LEO that I go for disorderly. He got his new toy and I got to leave. Easy sacrifice considering the blade had already served well before that night.
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Hi Paul!
Yeah, I still don't believe it years later. What gets me the most is these are the people who are the suppossed to know "weapons", as their whole job is making sure armed serial killers
like we knife people don't get these "weapons" on board an airplane. I think they wanted to play around with my knife and got in over their fool heads, then lied to try to save face.
Can't believe they couldn't figure out a lockback.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Yeah, I still don't believe it years later. What gets me the most is these are the people who are the suppossed to know "weapons", as their whole job is making sure armed serial killers
Can't believe they couldn't figure out a lockback.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Back in the mid eighties the USS Iowa came to NYC. 2 buddies and I went for the 'tour'. after waiting on line for an hour or so, we got up to the metal detector. They weren't very common then and we were kinda freaked out that we'd get popped for our buck 110's. I was first and I offered it up to the SP "I think this will set it off. Will I get it back? If I don't I'll just skip the tour and go home." He referred my to a cop who promised me that I'd get it back and not to worry. They missed the SAK. After being followed all over the ship, we went to pick up our blades. Different SP's, Different cops. What knife they say. I raised a stink, demanded to speak to a CO (SP & NYPD) Finally a NYPD SGT. shows up and begrudgingly pulls out a big box of knives and sez which one is yours? I found mine, he asked how I knew which one it was and I told him that I've had it for 10 years and I know my knife. Now I'm waiting for the hassle, but he just let us go (after my buds got theirs too). I guess it was a wise thing not to mention that the reason that I found mine so fast, was because it was the only one with a "Flick-It' on it. Remember them? One of my buds was late for jury duty later that month. He had to go home and drop off his Gerber MK1, Buck 110 and SAK before doing the metal detector dance.
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First off, I deeply respect all LEO's and the job that our society has given them to do.
But having said that, it is probably true that the average, law abiding citizen carrier, weather it be firearm or knife, has more business/compitance doing so that the average LEO.
But having said that, it is probably true that the average, law abiding citizen carrier, weather it be firearm or knife, has more business/compitance doing so that the average LEO.
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A few experiences.
Sea-Tac airport, circa 1980. I was going to pick up my sister from an international flight arriving from England. I had a shaved head, and could be mistaken for one of the guys trying to sell religious literature. The guards at the checkpoint would not let me through the checkpoint unless I could display a ticket. I explained that I was meeting my sister, to no avail. I went back to the ticket counter for the airline she was arriving on, got the attention of a clerk without waiting through the line, and was told to try again go to the gate. This time the guards let me through.
Sea-Tac airport, 1998 I take out my mini-maglight, with about a pound of keys, SAK, micra, and swiss-tech dangling from it, and start to put them in the basket as I walk through the detector. A nice lady guard takes me aside, and asks me to walk through the detector, as they have a new employee, and they want to see how he'll react. I load the material back into my pocket and walk through the detector. It doesn't go off.
Sea-Tac airport, 1999 A new two stage screening process is in place. I hand the mini-maglight and associated paraphernalia to the guard at the first detector and walk through. He gets very upset because I have breached the security system. He conveys to me by screaming that I have to carry everything through his checkpoint. So I go back out, take my items, and go through his monitor again, setting off the alarm. Then he directs me to another guard, presumably more intelligent and able to handle the tough decisions, for the second stage. I hand this guard my metal, walk through a second detector, retrieve my belongings, and go on my way.
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Sea-Tac airport, circa 1980. I was going to pick up my sister from an international flight arriving from England. I had a shaved head, and could be mistaken for one of the guys trying to sell religious literature. The guards at the checkpoint would not let me through the checkpoint unless I could display a ticket. I explained that I was meeting my sister, to no avail. I went back to the ticket counter for the airline she was arriving on, got the attention of a clerk without waiting through the line, and was told to try again go to the gate. This time the guards let me through.
Sea-Tac airport, 1998 I take out my mini-maglight, with about a pound of keys, SAK, micra, and swiss-tech dangling from it, and start to put them in the basket as I walk through the detector. A nice lady guard takes me aside, and asks me to walk through the detector, as they have a new employee, and they want to see how he'll react. I load the material back into my pocket and walk through the detector. It doesn't go off.
Sea-Tac airport, 1999 A new two stage screening process is in place. I hand the mini-maglight and associated paraphernalia to the guard at the first detector and walk through. He gets very upset because I have breached the security system. He conveys to me by screaming that I have to carry everything through his checkpoint. So I go back out, take my items, and go through his monitor again, setting off the alarm. Then he directs me to another guard, presumably more intelligent and able to handle the tough decisions, for the second stage. I hand this guard my metal, walk through a second detector, retrieve my belongings, and go on my way.
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I had to go to the Bowie County Courthouse ( Texas )to report for jury duty on a capital murder case.I was sitting with 120
others in the jury room when I noticed a thread hanging from a button.I whipped out
my blue Centafante and dispatched it. A Texas
State Trouper standing near by noticed and
said " nice knife ". That's what I like about
the south .
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others in the jury room when I noticed a thread hanging from a button.I whipped out
my blue Centafante and dispatched it. A Texas
State Trouper standing near by noticed and
said " nice knife ". That's what I like about
the south .
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Collect the whole set.
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I too served on jury duty a few months ago.
I figured it would be wise to leave my linerlock (my own making) in the car. One of the other jurors forgot to leave his. He showed it to the baillif. The baillif said not to worry about it. I wish i hadn't left mine in the car. I feel naked without an edged tool in my possesion.
BTW, the circuit court judge here is a knife collector.
I figured it would be wise to leave my linerlock (my own making) in the car. One of the other jurors forgot to leave his. He showed it to the baillif. The baillif said not to worry about it. I wish i hadn't left mine in the car. I feel naked without an edged tool in my possesion.
BTW, the circuit court judge here is a knife collector.
I once had my SAK confiscated in NYC at the UN building. I had it in a leather sheath on my belt and forgot about it until the metal detector went off. Weird thing was that my brother had his SAK (also a Victorinox Climber) on his keychain and all he had to do was dump it in the plate and they let him through with the SAK. Were they more tolerant of green SAK's than red one's?
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I got a good one for you guys. A few years ago I took the wife and kids to Six Flags/Great Adventure in Jackson,NJ. Guess what-metal detectors to go in. They took my Buck 110 and sheath,I demanded a receipt and got it back when we left.
Also, one time my son got us tickets to sit in the audience for the Sally Jessy Raphael show. We're about to go in and there it is-metal detector. I say to my wife that I've got to run back to the car first. No way were these rent-a-cops getting my Polkowski Polecat. Told the guy in the parking garage I needed to get something from my car and locked it in the glove box.
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Dave
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Also, one time my son got us tickets to sit in the audience for the Sally Jessy Raphael show. We're about to go in and there it is-metal detector. I say to my wife that I've got to run back to the car first. No way were these rent-a-cops getting my Polkowski Polecat. Told the guy in the parking garage I needed to get something from my car and locked it in the glove box.
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Dave
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