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When I think ridiculously ornate, I think this:
When I think mall ninja, I think this:
Both are hideous, IMO.
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Knife features/trends that you can do without?
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When I think ridiculously ornate, I think this:
When I think mall ninja, I think this:
Both are hideous, IMO.
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The top one at least looks usable. When I think ridiculously ornate, Gil Hibben springs to mind. Art knives which are ornate to the point of being unusable (at least as a cutting tool instead of as a paperweight).
I agree on the mall ninja look of the bottom picture, although it has garnered at least one favorable review as a self defense tool. Since I don't carry knives for SD, I will just say I think it looks like something a teenage wannabe would love, and let it go at that.
I agree on the mall ninja look of the bottom picture, although it has garnered at least one favorable review as a self defense tool. Since I don't carry knives for SD, I will just say I think it looks like something a teenage wannabe would love, and let it go at that.
That is just too funny. If you look closely at the lower Mall Ninja, it says "Reality Based Blade". What reality does this guy live in?
No offense to the maker or owner intended. I just dont think of knives this way, it's more of a weapon than a cutting tool.
No offense to the maker or owner intended. I just dont think of knives this way, it's more of a weapon than a cutting tool.
Boy, don't get me started....
here's a few in no specific order and not specific to any one manufacturer...
- The trend towards shorter and smaller blades.
- Skeletonized or airframe style handles.
- Partially serrated blade edges.
- double action automatic knives.
- tacticool mall ninja style blades with belt cutters and window breakers and skateboard tape handle inserts and other assorted crap.
- moving production of blades and steel to taiwan and china.
- limited editions or production runs that are impossible to find by the time I find out about them or when I need to replace an old favorite that was lost/stolen/broken.
- trademark visuals that harm the utility (for instance emerson left handed chisel grind).
- self proclaimed self defense gurus creating crazy knife blade designs and calling them the "ultimate self defense" blade (see above "reality based blade" lol).
- useless and offensive anti-knife (and gun for that matter) laws.
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I hope your the only person with that opinion
Waves are the best thing since sliced bread. What does niggles me about folding knives are:
Combo Edged knives which are under 4 inch length. I just dont see the point in wasting 50% of the steel. For me the blade needs to be either fully serrated or a full edge. Anything inbetween ruins the draw length. something a pocket knife should not sacrifice.
Company logo's on knives is something Im not keen on really.I dont like seeing Spiders,Dork-Ops or really any kind of embelm on a knife. If I really wanted to advertise the knife makers brand id expect the product to come free of charge. Dont get me wrong I want people to take credit for thier work, but having names and icons all over a knife doesnt impress me and it doent make the item any sharper.
Liner Locks. Ive read that theyre a reliable lock system but honsetly I dont like them one bit.They just appear far too flimsy.
features and trend that don't appeal to me:
-beads, fobs, lanyards (unless a looped lanyard for over water)
-overbuilt heavy folders (strider, buk-strider, extreme ratio)
-compression locks, backlocks
-frn, pearl, almite, carbon fiber, bone, horn, cordwrapped and samee rayskin bullcrap handles
-assisted opening
-recurves, hawkbills, karambits, wharncliffs
-combo-edges, serrations, sawteeth
-thumbstuds, wave hooks
-text on blade and/or handle
-integrated belt-cutters
-camo patterns
-plastic pivot washers
-limited editions
-small knives that can barely be handled
YMMV
-beads, fobs, lanyards (unless a looped lanyard for over water)
-overbuilt heavy folders (strider, buk-strider, extreme ratio)
-compression locks, backlocks
-frn, pearl, almite, carbon fiber, bone, horn, cordwrapped and samee rayskin bullcrap handles
-assisted opening
-recurves, hawkbills, karambits, wharncliffs
-combo-edges, serrations, sawteeth
-thumbstuds, wave hooks
-text on blade and/or handle
-integrated belt-cutters
-camo patterns
-plastic pivot washers
-limited editions
-small knives that can barely be handled
YMMV
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Are you sure you like knives at all?sure dude, i'm just a bit old-fashioned i guess. practical if you want.....
features and trend that appeal to me:
-lanyards (looped lanyard for over water/heights)
-strong lightweight folders
-linerlocks, famelocks, frontlocks
-G10, rough micarta
-manual openers, auto's
-clip blades, spearpoints
-plain edges
-thumbholes
-clean blades w/no text
-clean handles w/no gimmicks
-satin blades, black blades
-quality pivot washers
-no limited editions
-big lightweight folders
YMMV
features and trend that appeal to me:
-lanyards (looped lanyard for over water/heights)
-strong lightweight folders
-linerlocks, famelocks, frontlocks
-G10, rough micarta
-manual openers, auto's
-clip blades, spearpoints
-plain edges
-thumbholes
-clean blades w/no text
-clean handles w/no gimmicks
-satin blades, black blades
-quality pivot washers
-no limited editions
-big lightweight folders
YMMV
I can do without (in this order):
big Spyderholes - Smaller thumbholes work quite good for me, look better and most of all I like to have more material around the hole because I noticed some problems with thin areas around the holes due to too much hardness or too much tension. Thin areas seem to get harder and/or develop tension if a blade is not hardened differential.
vertical blade play in backlocks and compression locks - it seems not to come from the lock itself but from radial play in the pivot and/or the fulcrum of the lockbar, it´s simply unnecessary and annoying. The trend seems to be to tell it would be necassary to produce e.g. backlocks with this kind of play to make them safe. I don´t believe this, sorry.
weak detent in compression locks - only few seem to be as strong as they should be off center blades - they sometimes scratch on the liners with a little side pressure while opening
too long square ending clips - simply not ergonomic and not usefull, they should look like from David Lowry on Spyderco Forums modified.
assisted openers - not necessary, most Spidies manually open really good and with a littel pratice quite fast.
animal parts on knives - I don´t like horns, bones, shells or teeth of dead animal on knives I often use for food chores, we´re not Neanderthals anymore.
I like very much:
Ergonomics and function of Spydies - best ever
Variety of Spydie designs - best ever
FRN - strong, reliable, grippy, doesn´t soak up moisture or oil
aggressive texturing on handles - one most often can easily modify it to less grippy, the other way around it won´t work, same thing like with the sharp Spyderholes and sharp handles.
compression lock - safest lock ever
boye dent - adds safety, doesn´t disturbe looks in my eyes
waved blades - if they are "mall ninja" looking then I like to be a mall ninja.
Best wishes,
JB
big Spyderholes - Smaller thumbholes work quite good for me, look better and most of all I like to have more material around the hole because I noticed some problems with thin areas around the holes due to too much hardness or too much tension. Thin areas seem to get harder and/or develop tension if a blade is not hardened differential.
vertical blade play in backlocks and compression locks - it seems not to come from the lock itself but from radial play in the pivot and/or the fulcrum of the lockbar, it´s simply unnecessary and annoying. The trend seems to be to tell it would be necassary to produce e.g. backlocks with this kind of play to make them safe. I don´t believe this, sorry.
weak detent in compression locks - only few seem to be as strong as they should be off center blades - they sometimes scratch on the liners with a little side pressure while opening
too long square ending clips - simply not ergonomic and not usefull, they should look like from David Lowry on Spyderco Forums modified.
assisted openers - not necessary, most Spidies manually open really good and with a littel pratice quite fast.
animal parts on knives - I don´t like horns, bones, shells or teeth of dead animal on knives I often use for food chores, we´re not Neanderthals anymore.
I like very much:
Ergonomics and function of Spydies - best ever
Variety of Spydie designs - best ever
FRN - strong, reliable, grippy, doesn´t soak up moisture or oil
aggressive texturing on handles - one most often can easily modify it to less grippy, the other way around it won´t work, same thing like with the sharp Spyderholes and sharp handles.
compression lock - safest lock ever
boye dent - adds safety, doesn´t disturbe looks in my eyes
waved blades - if they are "mall ninja" looking then I like to be a mall ninja.
Best wishes,
JB
I'm not very fond of oversized opening holes either, although I can understand their advantages in certain situations. But I noticed the trend is to make all holes larger, no matter if the folder is big or small. Oh well...
Second, I don't like the Boye dent on lockbacks. They say it adds extra safety, but I do have the same spydie with and w/o the abovementioned dent and I never experienced accidental unlocking at neither of them.
Third, I'm not very fond of folders with liners. I like lightweight knives. Again, it's just my personal prefference and I understand the need for steel liners at certain models.
And yes, I don't like buying American stuff made in China (but hell, now everything seems to be made in China)
Second, I don't like the Boye dent on lockbacks. They say it adds extra safety, but I do have the same spydie with and w/o the abovementioned dent and I never experienced accidental unlocking at neither of them.
Third, I'm not very fond of folders with liners. I like lightweight knives. Again, it's just my personal prefference and I understand the need for steel liners at certain models.
And yes, I don't like buying American stuff made in China (but hell, now everything seems to be made in China)
I'll just mention a few things I don't like:
1. Combo edges
2. Billboard logos
3. knives that come new with a razor burr
4. Blade play (Caly III had a bit more than what I expected for the price, but I don't like play in any price range)
5. The lack of colors (how about that pink Delica, Sal )
1. Combo edges
2. Billboard logos
3. knives that come new with a razor burr
4. Blade play (Caly III had a bit more than what I expected for the price, but I don't like play in any price range)
5. The lack of colors (how about that pink Delica, Sal
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When I think mall ninja, I think this:
Me, too! Have you seen the "rescue version" of this yet? If not, get ready:
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/boker/images/bop052.jpg
What's next, making a "recue version" the Gerber Applegate folder?
Regards,
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Thick, obtuse edges on overly thick blades.
Mall ninja advertising and looks
Names like "Ambush",and others that could be a problem in a court situation.
Too small knives, or too smooth grips
Cheap stainless steels like 440A, 420J, HC, Aus6, etc. Only the very best steels should be used on knives for me. Carbon steel is fine.
Assisted and auto openers without safety lock
Mall ninja advertising and looks
Names like "Ambush",and others that could be a problem in a court situation.
Too small knives, or too smooth grips
Cheap stainless steels like 440A, 420J, HC, Aus6, etc. Only the very best steels should be used on knives for me. Carbon steel is fine.
Assisted and auto openers without safety lock
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I have a knife that most everyone in here would hate.
It has a black tanto combo blade. Assisted opening, Treadtape inlay, linerlock and all metal handle... and a small and somewhat sharp thumbstud.
The only redeeming qualities(in this thread) of this knife, Kershaw Tactical Blur, is the reversable clip and screwed construction... and the fact that I got it for twenty bucks. I use it as a utility knife at work, cutting shrink wrap and such with the tip.
The things I don't like, but thankfully don't see much anymore are:
Molded clips.
Chisel grinds, I have three CRKT M16s, thankfully two were under 20 and I used them heavely at work, and the third is an Operation Enduring
Freedom M16-14ZSF Tanto my brother gave me after coming back from Qatar. I just can't use it. Too large.
Carson Flippers, on the larger M16s they bite your hand when opened any other way than using the flipper.
Overly heavy knives that are "expected" to hang on the pocket.
Slick handles.
Pinned construction. Id rather have screws for some reason. I like to tinker and clean throughly I guess.
It has a black tanto combo blade. Assisted opening, Treadtape inlay, linerlock and all metal handle... and a small and somewhat sharp thumbstud.
The only redeeming qualities(in this thread) of this knife, Kershaw Tactical Blur, is the reversable clip and screwed construction... and the fact that I got it for twenty bucks. I use it as a utility knife at work, cutting shrink wrap and such with the tip.
The things I don't like, but thankfully don't see much anymore are:
Molded clips.
Chisel grinds, I have three CRKT M16s, thankfully two were under 20 and I used them heavely at work, and the third is an Operation Enduring
Freedom M16-14ZSF Tanto my brother gave me after coming back from Qatar. I just can't use it. Too large.
Carson Flippers, on the larger M16s they bite your hand when opened any other way than using the flipper.
Overly heavy knives that are "expected" to hang on the pocket.
Slick handles.
Pinned construction. Id rather have screws for some reason. I like to tinker and clean throughly I guess.
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I for one do like black blades like the black military I do not however like shiny black blades like the reality based blade.
Tanto point have little use for me as I dont make a habit of prying with knives thats what pry bars and tac-tools are for.
I love the compression lock I have 3 all are great one was pinching me but I fixed that it was how I was holding it. I dont really like the axis and ultra locks.
I dont see a need for assisted opening knives. (they are illegal in my city anyway)
I love the different sizes of the same model. Options are good.
I despise small handles.
Dont like chisel grinds.
Tanto point have little use for me as I dont make a habit of prying with knives thats what pry bars and tac-tools are for.
I love the compression lock I have 3 all are great one was pinching me but I fixed that it was how I was holding it. I dont really like the axis and ultra locks.
I dont see a need for assisted opening knives. (they are illegal in my city anyway)
I love the different sizes of the same model. Options are good.
I despise small handles.
Dont like chisel grinds.