Knife for an infantry soldier?

What knife would you suggest?

  • Cold steel srk 3v

    Votes: 40 38.1%
  • Benchmade Nimravus

    Votes: 14 13.3%
  • Gerber Strongman

    Votes: 8 7.6%
  • Esee 3

    Votes: 18 17.1%
  • Esee 4

    Votes: 39 37.1%
  • Lionsteel T5

    Votes: 11 10.5%
  • SOG Seal Pup Elite

    Votes: 5 4.8%
  • SOG Tech Bowie

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • SOG Pillar

    Votes: 4 3.8%
  • SOG NW Ranger

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    105
I'm not an infantryman or anything, but I have tested a lot of knives in the field. Just based on how many years I tried to prove the ESEE 3 wasn't all that only to find out it could take a lot more use and abuse than one might think, and that the plastic sheath was a lot better than it looked, of your list I say if the oversized sharpening choil / undersized finger choil (never have been clear on which it was meant to be) doesn't put you / them off, go with it. It's light and tough, and doesn't take up a lot of space. The sheath won't rot or shrink in any environment, and you can't cut the retention strap on the hard sheath, and it has lots of mounting options including a molle back. I carried an ESEE 3MIL for years. It was an influence on a similar sized knife I designed for Schrade for friends who were serving in the sand box at the time I designed it. I wanted something similar in size and function but with a thicker blade, better ergonomics, a more secure form fitting purchase on the handle, a pointier tip, and no choil to name a few things I wanted differently If the Shrade name doesn't put you off, the story of that knife design is here in this thread. If you find the thought of Taiwanese 1095 offputting perhaps it will at least illustrate the case I am presenting for recommending the ESEE 3.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/some-little-known-facts-about-the-schrade-schf55.1602234/
 
I'm NOT A VETERAN, but the lack of votes for SOG is most likely for a reason.
I'm not the most experienced but do consider Becker.
I voted for cold steel and always will but I'm a so called "fan boy". Consider the Cold Steel SRK as well. If you go CS I'd recommend a custom sheath. CS sheaths do kill the edge very quickly! A CS Recon1 would make for a great folder as well!

I think SOG exited the serious knife market and opted instead for the novelty and caricature knife market about 7 or 8 years ago. At least that's when they turned me off. Before that I had carried an S1 bowie for several years.
 
You fight for this country you deserve a USA knife, there are lots of choices made right here by our brothers and sisters.
 
Well, I've served both Infantry Enlisted and then transitioned to Signal as an officer, serving in various airborne and special operations units (PSYOP, which is really "special", and 7th SFG(A)). I've always tried to carry a fixed blade, mostly because I'm a knife guy. My first fixed blade, waay back to the early '90's was a Cold Steel SRK with a custom Blade Tech Kydex sheath. I still have it and even after almost 30 years, no issues with the "rubber" handle and Kydex retention.

I've carried a Randall #15, Mad Dog PATAK, and a few other nicer fixed blades from the Jungles of Central/South America, and various deserts from Northern Egypt, to Iraq and Afghanistan; I'm currently working in Afghanistan. Given the nature of working in a garrison environment, be it an office or motorpool, transitioning to multiple field exercises, training deployments, and ultimately to combat deployments...size does matter. Every installation has different definitions of "allowable" knives that Soldiers can carry (excluding field exercises); some commanders tighten those restrictions even further (typically your non-combat arms branches). I carried my PATAK with a 5" blade in Texas, but had to downsize to an ESEE 3 when I moved back to Georgia.

Current gear is a far cry from the old LCE harness used in patrolling from the '80's. Plate carriers and battle belts rule the current battle field which makes carrying a larger blade a challenge; not impossible, but somewhat difficult. I work with mostly coalition forces and those that carry a fixed blade carry them vertically (handle up) on the front of their plate carrier. I would say about 30% carry a fixed blade with a blade larger than 5"; the rest are carrying smaller fixed blades. The Finnish and Swedish guys are using Moras!

The important aspects of carrying a fixed blade are accessibility, security (sheath retention), and functional-integration with current combat gear. A larger fixed blade just doesn't work well on the belt when wearing your plate carrier/combat load, which is why most are mounted on the plate carrier. Most don't carry a fixed blade on their battle belt for the same reason (although, larger folders are a much better fit if in a battle belt-belt pouch). If I'm not wearing my battle belt, I can wear my TOPS C.U.T. 4.0 horizontally "scout-style" and it integrates well with my plate carrier.

I do prefer to keep my fixed blade on my person. My old PATAK was the largest fixed blade I could carry daily as my BDU/ACU blouse/shirt concealed it nicely and it was extremely comfortable. When I transitioned to the ESEE 3, it was an even better fit due to the thin profile and very functional sheath system.

Out of all your choices, the ESEE 3 (or 4) would be my recommendation. Not only is it a just a very functional tool, it's compact enough to wear daily in a garrison environment (the ESEE 3 is likely more acceptable for regulations), it can be worn under your plate carrier and battle belt if needed without adding uncomfortable bulk; the sheath system can be located in various, accessible points on your plate carrier or even your battle belt, and finally, it's a pretty robust cutting tool.

The ESEE 3 is a proven design, excellent value with a very functional sheath system. It's really hard to beat for the modern Soldier where larger knives simply make it more difficult to carry and access.















ROCK6
 
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I always like looking at your various set ups. I really love seeing the Martin still in the mix. Ed is still going strong, but not taking orders anymore, just doing batches of various models after getting requests for a few. He had retired, but then Newt got sick and he kept going to help Newt pay the bills. Then realized he wasn't ready to retire yet. My Bushhunter is one of my most carried blades, I use it for teaching skills with our local Boy Scout troop and our youth group. I carry it scout style in the small of my back a lot, but I'd worry about carrying it in high stress environments or on modern load carrying systems unless I had a custom kydex sheath made for it. The ESEE 3 can be mounted virtually anywhere and to anything. I wanted to expand on that concept a little with my sheath design for the 55. I spend a good bit of time with a few guys here in our local National Guard and Reserve units and friends at Fort Benning who have all been deployed to the sand box several times now, and who all have families. Luckily their pay grades are high enough now they can afford pretty much whatever they want, but they were on a tight budget once, and a lot of the guys still are. Will all of the testing and abuse I and several friends have put the 55 through, I think it's a great deal for the money, to get the guys who are just starting out through till they have more funds to play with.

You fight for this country you deserve a USA knife, there are lots of choices made right here by our brothers and sisters.

One of the coolest things about being involved in an international forum is that there are people from other countries besides here in the US where I am from, who understand very well that the US does not have the market cornered on quality knife production, and that some other places in the world take as much pride in their work as our companies do, and in some cases a lot more even. Yes, I voted for a US company too, because of several factors. Not the least of which is the fact that Shon Rowen is super anal about the quality of work that leaves his shop, and I love that he takes so much pride in his work that his machinery stays clean enough to eat off of. But having put a few of his knives through the wringer, LionSteel and Knife Research, I would carry any piece of steel that Michele Pensato (Molletta) was in charge of into hell and have no doubts about how well it would perform, because he too is anal about his metalurgy and steel research and produces a damn fine blade, and usually with wonderful ergonomics as well. The only reason the T5 didn't make the cut in my book is the leather sheath, which I think due to modern combat situations and attire have largely outlived their combat days from my own research.

That said, now that I have re-read the entire original post myself, I guess we are all guilty of that from time to time in our busy lives, I would like to make another suggestion for one that isn't on the list, even though it does well exceed the $200 price tag. It just came out this year. It is a Bill Harsey design, produced by Spartan Blades. It is CMP S35VN steel. Few if any outside Crucible Steel know as much about this steel as Bill Harsey. Considering that Crucible metallurgists are routinely at Bill's shop discussing the data he has collected, he may well may know more than they do on the knife making side of the equation. The ceramic coatings they use are amazing. The knife is 9 inches over all, 4.5 inches each way, and the kydex sheath isn't bulky at all, they just didn't have any in when I ordered mine, and since I'm not a soldier I pocket carry it in a leather sheath as an edc and have since I picked it up at Blade. If you aren't familiar with Spartan, here is a link to a post I did a few years ago. I have put of lot of their knives through a lot of stuff. There are several reasons I edc this one now. For those for whom US Made is a major factor, with their business model and company framework and networrking, it would likely be impossible to get any more US made than Spartan, all the way down to all outsourced work and all sourced materials.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...-difensa-and-the-phrike-very-pic-hvy.1187294/

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You fight for this country you deserve a USA knife, there are lots of choices made right here by our brothers and sisters.
Unless you're a marine in which case you might want a German designed knife to go with your new H&K? :p
 
Really only need a knife to self defense. Since I carry a sidearm as well, something like the Spartan Blades CQB Tool or the Benchmade SOCP is ridiculously light and serves to create space so I can transition. Everything else, a leatherman wave handles well.
 
What do people think of the Cold Steel Master Hunter in 3V? It seems at 4.5' blade and 6.4oz it could be a good option?
 
ROCK6, you have great taste in knives! It's clear that you are also a preparedness fiend, like myself. I appreciate your perspectives and your loadout pictures.


I would like to make another suggestion for one that isn't on the list, even though it does well exceed the $200 price tag. It just came out this year. It is a Bill Harsey design, produced by Spartan Blades.



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Very nice knife! I handled one myself at Blade Show and I think it's going to be a winner for Spartan. But two things detract from its inclusion in this thread. The first, as you already mentioned, is the price. I believe that model is double the spending limit imposed by Gideons. The second is this: If I buy a knife that fine, it's going on MY belt, not my buddy's!


What do people think of the Cold Steel Master Hunter in 3V? It seems at 4.5' blade and 6.4oz it could be a good option?

I don't have any experience with the 3-V version of the Master Hunter, but the design makes for an excellent all-around knife.

If you're considering Cold Steel, I would suggest these two, the AK-47 Field Knife and the Medium Warcraft Tanto.


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They check all of your boxes without the Kraton/Kray-Ex durability concerns (which are overblown entirely, in my opinion). Despite the fact that both of these knives make for excellent military knives, they are sleepers in the industry and most people overlook them.

Aside from their sharpness, indestructibility, fantastic ergonomics, and great materials (DLC-coated CPM 3-V blades, G-10 handles, Secure-Ex sheaths), the biggest thing they have going for them (particularly from an air mobile standpoint) is their size. The 5.5-inch blades are long enough to get done most jobs while not being obtrusive when entering/exiting vehicles. They can be concealed, too, if that's a consideration.

The Ontario Cerberus is another good option, though the blade is oxide-coated, not DLC.


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Also from the realms of lesser-known offerings, I'm not sure if you can still find a Gerber Yari.

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But you might be able to locate a Gerber Yari II before they disappear.

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Good luck with your search. Please let us know which knife you end up buying for him.


-Steve
 
Get the ESEE 3 with the extended g10 handles from TKC, makes the handle so much more secure with jut that added length.
 
Get the ESEE 3 with the extended g10 handles from TKC, makes the handle so much more secure with jut that added length.

Maybe I just need to get the ESEE-3 in hand as all the reviews are very positive. However, every time I look at the handle... something just doesn't quite resonate with me.
 
Maybe I just need to get the ESEE-3 in hand as all the reviews are very positive. However, every time I look at the handle... something just doesn't quite resonate with me.
I agree, that is why I got the handle extension from TKC, they also make them for the ESEE 4. A world of difference. I have to be honest, I have a OnTario RAT 3, but they still fit.
 
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I always like looking at your various set ups. I really love seeing the Martin still in the mix. Ed is still going strong, but not taking orders anymore, just doing batches of various models after getting requests for a few. He had retired, but then Newt got sick and he kept going to help Newt pay the bills. Then realized he wasn't ready to retire yet. My Bushhunter is one of my most carried blades, I use it for teaching skills with our local Boy Scout troop and our youth group. I carry it scout style in the small of my back a lot, but I'd worry about carrying it in high stress environments or on modern load carrying systems unless I had a custom kydex sheath made for it. The ESEE 3 can be mounted virtually anywhere and to anything. I wanted to expand on that concept a little with my sheath design for the 55. I spend a good bit of time with a few guys here in our local National Guard and Reserve units and friends at Fort Benning who have all been deployed to the sand box several times now, and who all have families. Luckily their pay grades are high enough now they can afford pretty much whatever they want, but they were on a tight budget once, and a lot of the guys still are. Will all of the testing and abuse I and several friends have put the 55 through, I think it's a great deal for the money, to get the guys who are just starting out through till they have more funds to play with.



One of the coolest things about being involved in an international forum is that there are people from other countries besides here in the US where I am from, who understand very well that the US does not have the market cornered on quality knife production, and that some other places in the world take as much pride in their work as our companies do, and in some cases a lot more even. Yes, I voted for a US company too, because of several factors. Not the least of which is the fact that Shon Rowen is super anal about the quality of work that leaves his shop, and I love that he takes so much pride in his work that his machinery stays clean enough to eat off of. But having put a few of his knives through the wringer, LionSteel and Knife Research, I would carry any piece of steel that Michele Pensato (Molletta) was in charge of into hell and have no doubts about how well it would perform, because he too is anal about his metalurgy and steel research and produces a damn fine blade, and usually with wonderful ergonomics as well. The only reason the T5 didn't make the cut in my book is the leather sheath, which I think due to modern combat situations and attire have largely outlived their combat days from my own research.

That said, now that I have re-read the entire original post myself, I guess we are all guilty of that from time to time in our busy lives, I would like to make another suggestion for one that isn't on the list, even though it does well exceed the $200 price tag. It just came out this year. It is a Bill Harsey design, produced by Spartan Blades. It is CMP S35VN steel. Few if any outside Crucible Steel know as much about this steel as Bill Harsey. Considering that Crucible metallurgists are routinely at Bill's shop discussing the data he has collected, he may well may know more than they do on the knife making side of the equation. The ceramic coatings they use are amazing. The knife is 9 inches over all, 4.5 inches each way, and the kydex sheath isn't bulky at all, they just didn't have any in when I ordered mine, and since I'm not a soldier I pocket carry it in a leather sheath as an edc and have since I picked it up at Blade. If you aren't familiar with Spartan, here is a link to a post I did a few years ago. I have put of lot of their knives through a lot of stuff. There are several reasons I edc this one now. For those for whom US Made is a major factor, with their business model and company framework and networrking, it would likely be impossible to get any more US made than Spartan, all the way down to all outsourced work and all sourced materials.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...-difensa-and-the-phrike-very-pic-hvy.1187294/

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Very nice knife! I handled one myself at Blade Show and I think it's going to be a winner for Spartan. But two things detract from its inclusion in this thread. The first, as you already mentioned, is the price. I believe that model is double the spending limit imposed by Gideons. The second is this: If I buy a knife that fine, it's going on MY belt, not my buddy's!

-Steve

Yeah, it's pricey, the down side of a high end knife maker and designer designing for another high end knife company. I guess it's all in what you want. I more into quality than quantity for one, and I happen to love Bill's work. For me I guess it depends on how much I value the person. For the most part that applies to my thinking as well, but I have gifted a few high end knives over the years, to high quality friends that I value greatly.
 
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