knife for hiking/backpacking/survival

To me the main use of the hollow handle might be to store some kitchen matches and a tiny compass. I agree that the hollow handle is a backup when you have nothing at all with you assuming you didn't forget or loose your knife in the process of getting yourself into whatever situation you're in that such survival backup things become important. I see little point in carrying fishing line or hooks. Maybe a bandaide or two would be potentially useful and some water purification tablets.
 
I agree. Fortunately, the only people I usually see talk about venturing into the woods with just what's in a hollow handle knife are the people that don't like/carry/own hollow handle knives. All of the people I've spoken with that actually use them agree that the kit in the handle/sheath is just backup/redundancy gear. Thank goodness.

Sam :thumbup:

Well said. The lack of insulation and rain gear for the worst conditions one might experience is a deadly situation alone. The 10 Essentials are indeed essential. A knife is but one piece of the equation. I've seen some pretty horrible and un-forecast condtions and it was the rain gear and insulation that made it non life threatening. About 20 miles south of where I live three boyscouts died when they crested a ridge in the mountains and an un-forecast, cold, wet storm hit them hard. Anyone relying on a knife and matches to save them from exposure is a dead man strapped to a knife imo. Hopefully not but being that unprepared is something that does not need to happen. A folder is fine if you are prepared and I've surely gotten by with that in bad conditions but I tend to like a fixed blade, a small one for me (2.5" to 3" blade), a bit better.

I do have a Chris Reeve Sable 4 in my "collection" and have used a Buckmaster many decades ago for a very short while so I'm not talking anecdotally. I really like the looks of Sam Wilson's knives too. I'm sure they would serve well with a small rucksack containing the 10 Essentials.
 
I like hollow handle knives. Nothing wrong with having an extra matchsafe (attached to your knife) for back-up or for convenience around camp. :thumbup:
 
Any hollow handled knife (other than one of Chris Reeves' one piece masterpieces) will have a joint between the blade and the handle. This will make it fragile. If you absolutely, positively must carry a bunch of crap with your knife, my recommendation would be to attach a small nylon pouch to the sheath instead of going the hollow handle route.

After testing many, many general purpose bushcraft/"survival" type knives, I've decided upon the Fallkniven F1 as my # 1 choice. It is more than adequate if you develop the necessary skills, and small/light enough to have with me most all of the time.

I hope that this helps.

I've used my Chris Reeve Jereboam Mk II (8.75" blade) over five years (2004 birth card and a 2009 purchase) and so much I think I probably used mine more than anyone else who owns them...: I had to re-finish it twice, in two different colors, after the finish wore off... At the third re-finishing I sold it, because by then I understood it was a compromised design for various reasons.

Despite being well made, and at first glance a quite rational design, it pretty much taught me everything that I want to avoid in a survival knife, and this influences every feature I look for in a "Survival Knife" to this day (My ideal now being something quite close to a Lile "Mission"...).

1-Edge thickness: 0.040" is close to acceptable, but not close enough: 0.020 to 0.030" is far, far better at nearly no loss in edge strength for chopping, although under 0.030" you have to be careful to not twist the blade when "unsticking" a Full Flat Grind design (hollow grinds with a low sabre grind appear less vulnerable to chipping doing this).

2-Edge thickness increases considerably towards the tip: 0.050" or more at least. A very bad feature to be absolutely avoided: The geometry of the Jereboam's tip prevents any simple fix...

3-Handle is relieved to a narrower radius near the "guard": This makes it seem more comfortable, but in fact it greatly increases the amount of "rearing up" within the hand when chopping.

4-Small guard: I am believer in fairly big guards when chopping close to the hand. I've had the Lile Sly II guard more than once saving impacts on my fingers, once hard enough to bend it...

5-Blade length/balance: 8.75" is too short for serious chopping with a knife, and is close to the point at which the center of balance goes close to or into the hand, changing the knife's reaction to chopping impact tremendously: It drastically increases the impact to the hand to have the knife "rear up" more easily as the balance point nears the guard... In my experience there is no reason for a "Survival Knife" to have a blade under ten inches, and many reasons not to go under ten inches...

6-Overall balance: The Jereboam's thick handle walls are unnecessary and worsen point #9, as well as making the knife feel much heavier when carrying than the raw figures suggest...

7-Handle capacity: The thick walls result in a cavity that is much too narrow, negating a huge amount of interior space, despite being very deep, and on the Reeve this is worsened by the thick protruding buttcap threading design that pushes the content deeper, and wastes a large amount of space both in width and in length... The Reeve's handle can barely hold 15 or 20 matches before its entire cross-section is completely obstructed, and it probably has not much over half, maybe two-thirds at best, of the overall volume of useable space available inside the similar sized Lile handle, which can hold a 60 hour endurance Muyshondt Maus Mk 1 flashlight, 20 matches, fishing gear, 4 safety pins, 5 Advils, cord tinder and several other items...

8-The A-2 Carbon steel has adequate but unimpressive edge holding... In general any stainless is always to be preferred across the board, regardless of use...

9-Blade narrowness: This is probably the single worst feature of the Jereboam: The blade's narrowness, by bringing the edge up very close to the outer diameter of the handle, has the effect of removing directional stability while chopping: This makes the Jereboam the one round-handled knife that has the most vicious rolling tendency of any of the other hollow handles I have tried, and the nastiness of this is worsened by the absence of a real guard to either protect the hand or, more importantly, prevent rolling (a "stabilizing" role the guard can play in other knives)... This is the only knife that regularly injured my hand while chopping: It would routinely bounce on the bottom of the V cut, viciously change direction and swing dangerously to one side...

10-One piece durability: In my experience this advantage is illusory compared to a quality knife with a properly attached tube handle: The cost in weight, balance and in the absence of a real guard out-weight any advantage.

The Jereboam Mk II is the perfect example of a knife that looks extremely sound on paper, yet has numerous functional flaws in practice... Still not a terrible knife, no one would be embarrassed to have one, but a lot of more ungainly-looking designs actually perform much better at the same weight...

Gaston
 
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I agree. Fortunately, the only people I usually see talk about venturing into the woods with just what's in a hollow handle knife are the people that don't like/carry/own hollow handle knives. All of the people I've spoken with that actually use them agree that the kit in the handle/sheath is just backup/redundancy gear. Thank goodness.
Unless hunting I rarely venture into the woods with any fixed blade knife, and then it's likely to be a small puukko with a <2.5" blade or a Grohmann #3 which with it's 4" blade is a LARGE knife for me to carry or need.
 
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Unless hunting I rarely venture into the woods with any fixed blade knife, and then it's likely to be a small puukko with a <2.5" blade or a Grohmann #3 which with it's 4" blade is a LARGE knife for me to carry or need.

Yep. I carry a fixed blade usually in the woods, but I seem to never (to seldom) use one over my folder and that is usually a SAK. I'd take a regular traditional, but I like having a tweezers with me in the woods for the occasional splinter/thorn removal. Doesn't take much of a knife (length wise) for hunting chores.

My first interest in hollow handled fixed blades was purely because of Rambo. You just never know when you need to cut your way out of a helicopter.
 
Yep. I carry a fixed blade usually in the woods, but I seem to never (to seldom) use one over my folder and that is usually a SAK. I'd take a regular traditional, but I like having a tweezers with me in the woods for the occasional splinter/thorn removal. Doesn't take much of a knife (length wise) for hunting chores.

My first interest in hollow handled fixed blades was purely because of Rambo. You just never know when you need to cut your way out of a helicopter.

I don't think the Randall sawback would be much good for cutting out of a chopper, and the Lile sawback is not designed for metal skin... Even the Parrish sawback would not work... I can't think of why a nice long well-sharpened swedge would not be the best bet for metal skin...

I missed First Blood's theater debut in 1982, and the first I ever heard of it was on TV in early 1985, as the TV broadcast prepared for the summer's Part II... I was already deep into knives well before I ever heard of Rambo, but the hollow handle idea stuck and never left... Besides a few misguided 7" fixed blades (like the Sabatier my father carried in Algeria), what I really dreamed about back then was the "Cutlery Shoppe" special 9" BMF without sawteeths, which I believe was a special run that may have been called the "BMF Predator", this being at least two years before the "Predator" movie came out...

Unlike most, I never had any interest in the Buckmaster, way too short, but the BMF Predator still looks beautiful to me to this day... I think the "Cutlery Shoppe" version was different from a regular no-sawback 9" BMF by having a single bottom guard...

The edge geometry on these BMFs is actually decent, but now I know the blade is too narrow, and the huge swedge removes even more blade mass, to the point it is a very mild chopper... Not a bad knife, but the handle felt strangely oversized and misshapen compared to any actual hollow handle I ever handled... Nice rubber texture that I wish you would see elsewhere...

Gaston
 
On short hikes I carry a small pouch with a few essential items. I agree that a hollow handle knife may not be the best choice for a stand alone kit but I think one offers a great vehicle for a few redundant items. I am not a fan of the Taylor made Schrades but most reviews I have read about the SCHF2 are good. I have several Chris Reeves and a Randall that see woods time. I normally carry extra tinder and a ferro rod in them. If I were to recommend one change to the kit mentioned in the OP it would be to replace the thread with braided fishing line. Regardless of what gear you carry knowledge and experience are the two most important tools.
 
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