knife laws are spoiling my fun

EnricoGimondi said:
This may be a stupid question, but is it concealed if its in your pocket?
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/concealed

verb (used with object)
1. to hide; withdraw or remove from observation; cover or keep from sight:
..........He concealed the gun under his coat.
2. to keep secret; to prevent or avoid disclosing or divulging:
..........to conceal one's identity by using a false name.


The answer is "yes."
 
In NYC, it's not concealed if the clip is showing. Or the knife is printing, that is, if the police can see the outline in your pocket.

Your best bet is a folding butterknife without a lock.
 
killgar said:
There is nothing in the California penal code that says it is illegal to openly carry a fixed-blade in a public park or on any trails. Here is a link to California's official legislative website where all of it's knife laws can be found- http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml

Neither San Diego county, nor the city of San Diego have any knife laws that are different from California state law.

Here is a link to the San Diego municipal codes- http://www.sandiego.gov/city-clerk/officialdocs/index.shtml

And here is a link to the San Diego county codes- http://www.amlegal.com/sandiego_county_ca/

There is no law in San Diego county, or the city of San Diego that prohibits the open carry of fixed-blades in public parks or on any trails.

I know this because I have lived in San Diego for 45 years now. I have also thoroughly researched all local (San Diego) and CA state knife laws. If you don't believe me regarding what I said above, feel free to search the laws yourself using the links I have provided.

It is illegal in the state of California to carry a fixed-blade on a college campus with a blade 2.5" long or longer (CA penal code 626.10). However, there are exceptions to this law, like if you are carrying the knife for the purposes of food prep and consumption.

It is also legal to openly carry a fixed-blade in Los Angeles if the blade is under 3" long. However, it is legal to openly carry a fixed-blade of any size in Los Angeles as long as you have a legitimate reason for doing so. Like for example, work, camping, fishing, etc. I could post links to Los Angels county and city codes, but I assume you have Google, so you can find them for yourself.

I don't know where you are getting your legal information, but it's not entirely accurate.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGHTkUbBUxk

it starts around 1:42 and the video talks about weapons in parks and trails. the guy even says not to carry a knife in parkways and on trails at 2:35
 
Ah, of course I would follow the advice of a YouTube cartoon, posted by an obvious troll, before reading killgar's meticulously researched legal references. :rolleyes:
 
EnricoGimondi said:
This may be a stupid question, but is it concealed if its in your pocket?
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Not stupid at all. What the dictionary says doesn't matter, because cops don't look at dictionaries when they arrest you. Few if any jurisdictions actually define "concealed" by way of statute, so we are left to the subjective determinations of the police, prosecutor, jury and judge. A particular police officer may subjectively say that something is concealed, and another officer may say the opposite. This is just a sad fact of life the knife/gun guy. So the best bet is to avoid the issue altogether where possible by carrying fully concealed or fully open, and throw in lots of "yes sir" and "no sir" when engaging the police.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Ah, of course I would follow the advice of a YouTube cartoon, posted by an obvious troll, before reading killgar's meticulously researched legal references. :rolleyes:
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it would be a felony for me and not for you so of course im following any leads i can!
 
Being respectful, kind, and polite when dealing with law enforcement Gos along way
 
proton said:
the thought of kissing @$$ makes me wanna puke
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And there's the problem. I never said anything about kissing anyone's ass. Our attitude makes a big difference in our daily life.
Good luck
 
'Respectful, kind and polite' behavior is not the same as 'kissing ass.' Kissing ass is kissing ass. If someone chooses to act abrasively and be a jerk (polite wording) around the wrong people (including cops), they can expect to be treated as such.

Jim
 
proton said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGHTkUbBUxk

it starts around 1:42 and the video talks about weapons in parks and trails. the guy even says not to carry a knife in parkways and on trails at 2:35
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If you wish to deny yourself your lawful rights based on a youtube video, that's certainly your prerogative. But anyone who wishes to make a truly informed choice regarding the knife laws of California, and San Diego, can use the links I provided to read the actual laws written by the actual lawmakers.

But hey, if people want to live their lives based on internet cartoons, so be it. I prefer to actually read the laws.

Of course, if a person is inclined to believe everything they see in an internet cartoon, then perhaps they, and the rest of society, will be better off if that person doesn't carry any knife at all, anywhere, ever.

So, based on that, I strongly wish to encourage you, member identified as Proton, to not carry any fixed-blade anywhere in San Diego, or the entire state of California. I think we'll all be better off.

The rest of us responsible knife owners here in California, and San Diego, will continue to enjoy out rights under the law.
 
I too live in California and prefer to stay out of bracelets. I have never had an issue open carrying a fixed blade. Granted its a 4 inch blade and not a machete or knife sword. I live in a urban area and never had a second look by LE. I have asked multiple officers in my area regarding the laws on the books. However the officer has a lot of lattitude in what in concealed. IE your shirt is partially covering knife ect. Best case be polite. You might have the law on your side but doesn't mean they won't give you a free ride downtown to sort them out.
 
In case it comes up, and anyone is wondering about it. It should be noted that in the California Court of Appeals, Second Appellate District, Division One, on 4/17/13 this was filed. The accused (Kevin Pellecer) (See, PEOPLE vs PELLECER) had a conviction overturned after an appeal. The court finally ruled that "in a backpack" is not considered "concealed" in terms of California law. As a result of this ruling, you can carry a fixed blade no specific length inside a backpack. So if you are unsure about open-carrying, you can stick it in your backpack. I would print out the court document and rubber-band it to whatever blade you plan carrying in your backpack though if you go that route. Also note that this does NOT apply to firearms. There is a separate law regarding the transportation of firearms. If you do not have a CCW, any firearm must be in a locked container, and cannot be loaded, etc., etc., yada, yada....everyone in CA should know this.

But don't take my word for it. Look it up and do the necessary reading before you load up your bag with every fixed blade you own.

People v. Pellecer (Apr. 17, 2013) 215 Cal.App.4th 508
Rule: A dirk or dagger inside a carried or adjacent container, even though in a person’s
possession and under his control, is not carried “upon the person” for purposes of P.C. §
12020(a)(4). “Upon the person” requires that the knife be on the body or in the clothing
worn on the body.
 
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