Knife NOT as important as it's "carry" system.....

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Hi all,

Yep! This is the conclusion I have finally reached. I own a fair amount of both folding Knives and Fixed Blade Knifes. For this thread, I am referring to "Fixed Blade" Knives, especially those knives intended for use in Hunting/Bush Craft etc.

I have noticed over the years a disturbing trend with too many of the knives that I have purchased. While most every knife I've purchased is of very good quality, I find myself no longer carrying many of these Knives (on my Belt) basically for two reasons. Reason one is, the knife is just too large and tends to get in my way.

To remedy this, I now find myself purchasing smaller and smaller Knives over the year. That being said, my NUMERO UNO reason for my no longer carrying many of my Knives on my Belt is because (too often) the badly designed Sheaths. Now, the overall quality of many sheath appear to actually be quite good quality Leather/construction. The REAL issue with the Sheath is the "RETENTION" (or lack thereof) system.

A prime example, yesterday, I went for a little hike in my Woods and I decided to grab my "TOPS Lite Trekker Knife" (a very NICE knife) with it's (I believe) Kydex Sheath and it's "large" metal belt clip. I made sure that the Sheath's "Clip" was fully engaged on my (quality made/thick Leather Gun belt) before heading out into the Woods.

While in the Woods, I began gathering dead Wood/blow down branches etc. and began piling/constructing sort of a "Ground Blind" in one of my Hunting areas. As I bent down to pick up some more Branches, PING! Off pops the Sheath and Knife! SOB!

Lucky for me (this time) I was able to hear/see/felt the Knife as it fell off my Body. I dear say, had this happen in the Winter/Snow chances are, I would of never heard/known the Knife had fallen and I'd of lost a very nice Knife. So, I can add yet another "I CAN'T Trust carrying" Belt Knife heading for the Kit Bag. I also do NOT trust several of my Leather Sheaths that employ "Snaps" to hold the Sheath onto Belt.

In addition, too many Sheath (mostly Leather) do NOT retain the Knife in it's sheath, being waaay too easy to fall out of Sheath due to Gravity. Funny, of late, I feel most confident carrying my (INexpensive but lovely) "Wood Jewel Vuolu Little 8 Knife" as it's small size/weight keeps it out of my way. The "design" of it's Leather Sheath (with Plastic insert) SECURELY holds this knife in the sheath until one draws it out.

Of course nothing is perfect as the "dangler" style Leather Sheath of the "Wood Jewel" sort of requires (but not always) a "two Hand" operation to withdraw the knife, that is to say, one Hand holding the Sheath securely and one Hand withdrawing the Knife grasping with Handle. That being said, thus far, I have found this little Wood Jewel Vuolu 8 Knife "SYSTEM approach" to now be my carry preference. I would love to hear your experiences regarding Knife carry/retention stories (be it good or bad). Suggestions/recommendations welcome! Thanks.

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The belt loop and retention strap have been incorporated in knife sheaths for a long time. I believe they work quite effectively for both secure belt retention and secure knife retention.

I'm thinking about the leather Marine Kabar sheath as an example. But many leather sheaths have solid belt loops the same width as the sheath rather than slots.

You can also get a kydex sheath with a solid loop, or attach a home made loop to a kydex sheath that is held together with screws or eyelets.
 

Wasty

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I am a fixed blade guy. My BK14 is in a Armatus kydex sheath and sits comfortably in my right front pocket.
Same with my BK17, (Sorry for the rusty screw - that 17 is a user) my preferred hiking knife. I made a (not nice but effective) Kydex myself that has enough retention.

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I don't actually like having a knife on my belt as it rides quite high and i find it uncomfortable to reach up.
Most of my outdoor trousers are actually work trousers with a carpenters ruler pocket. That way I can comfortably get the knife and losing it isn't an issue.

Bigger knives are mostly in my backpack and come out when needed.
 

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You will have too look far and wide for a better knife and sheath than what Bob Dozier does. Knives are top shelf and sheaths are the best kydex I've seen or handled yet. Angled horizontal carry, strong retention but still convenient to remove and resheath the knife. Mine is a small knife, the Personal.

Other larger knives are available of course. Highest recommendation available from me and many others.

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I am a fixed blade guy. My BK14 is in a Armatus kydex sheath and sits comfortably in my right front pocket.
Same with my BK17, (Sorry for the rusty screw - that 17 is a user) my preferred hiking knife. I made a (not nice but effective) Kydex myself that has enough retention.

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I don't actually like having a knife on my belt as it rides quite high and i find it uncomfortable to reach up.
Most of my outdoor trousers are actually work trousers with a carpenters ruler pocket. That way I can comfortably get the knife and losing it isn't an issue.

Bigger knives are mostly in my backpack and come out when needed.
That armatus sheath has a lot of sharp angles on it. I might have rounded those off so it's not wearing out pockets too prematurely.
 

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Sorry for the OT,

unwisefool unwisefool : Indeed, i rounded them a bit:)

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Btt: The only knife I regularly lost (and found) was a pocket knife with a clip, that always snagged onto my seatbelt and was stuck between my door and my car seat
 
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Dozier Kydex sheaths are excellent although you don't have much flexibility to position them. Normark made a Kydex sheath for my F1 which had perfect fit and finish and it could be mounted in various positions by changing the clip. That said, I prefer leather sheaths, and often end up using the manufacturer's leather sheath as a pattern to make a sturdier one out of heavier latigo saddle leather. Leather is less prone to scratching the blade, offers more flexible carry (I make mine with a generous belt loop) and the knife can be secured easily with a leather or nylon cord loop. I remade the thin leather sheaths that came with my Roselli erapukko and carpenter's knife, but retained their excellent plastic liners -- sort of the best of both worlds. A leather sheath, well sealed (I use SnowSeal) will last for decades and will not absorb moisture.
 

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I have Tekloks on my kydex/plastic sheaths. Secure and offers different carry positions. Danglers and belt loops with retention straps work well, but I hate when a knife flops around.
Ha me too, I go to pull a knife out of the sheath and instead the whole knife and sheath comes up at a weird angle on a dangler.
 

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Btt: The only knife I regularly lost (and found) was a pocket knife with a clip, that always snagged onto my seatbelt and was stuck between my door and my car seat

I hate this so much, bent so many of my Spyderco spring and wire clips cuz of this. I have taken a liking to milled Ti clips because this doesn't happen to them.
 
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HARDBALL, I've come to pretty much the same conclusion. No matter how pretty and high quality a knife is, it's all but useless if you don't have it with you. To the point that it has become a total deal breaker in many cases if I don't like the sheath that comes with the knife. IF I REALLY like the knife, I'll look for other options for a custom sheath before I consider buying it.

For me, I like all different sizes and most styles of fix blades. So I like different carry methods depending on the specific knife. I generally don't like necklace carry. I don't trust it for many reasons. However, belt, pocket, and ankle carry are not uncommon for me.

In general, I prefer a pancake style, kydex sheath, with lots of eyelets on both edges and strong retention. From there I can easily weave belt loops however I like with paracord through the eyelets. Or just slip it in a pocket if it's an appropriate length.

That's what works best for me so far. Maybe I'll learn something from this thread?
 

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with it's (I believe) Kydex Sheath with it's "large" metal belt clip. I made sure the Sheath's "Clip" fully engaged my (quality made/thick Leather belt) before heading out. While in the Woods, I began gathering dead Wood/blow down and piling/constructing sort of a "Ground Blind" in one of my Hunting areas. As I bent down to pick up more Branches, PING! Off pops the Sheath and Knife!
Why I never trust pocket/belt clips.
Lost my RAT1 while riding my bicycle because of the clip. Someone must hae foukd and claimed it, since I didn't find it back tracking.
My compact 1911 was in a outside the pants holster with a belt clip. DaRn thing fell off my belt in the car. I'm curently looking for a nice affordable S.O.B. holster with belt loops or a vertical shoulder holster for it.
I've never had a sheath knife carried vertcally fall out of the sheath.
 
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I have Tekloks on my kydex/plastic sheaths. Secure and offers different carry positions. Danglers and belt loops with retention straps work well, but I hate when a knife flops around.

Hi GB,

Like anything, Pros & Cons with all. Today, I carried on my Belt, a Leather Sheath having a (double stitched) Belt Loop (which I believe secure). The Knife in that Sheath was my brand spanking new Bark River "Micro" (and I do mean Micro!) Canadian Knife. I carried this tiny Fixed Blade Micro Canadian to see how it "carried" on my Belt. LOL, the "Micro Canadian" is soooo small, one would never even know it's on ones Person. I also carried my "Wood Jewel Vuolu Little 8". I threaded the "Vuolu" on the Strap of the "Fanny Pack". The "Wood Jewel Vuolu Little 8" (a sweeet little Knife) includes a very nice Leather "dangler" Sheath. Once the rig is adjusted in the "right" spot, I find it's not really in my way. Of course, it is a little "Floppy".
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Nooooo! FLOPPY!

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Bark River "Micro" Canadian
HARDBALL
 
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Why I never trust pocket/belt clips.
Lost my RAT1 while riding my bicycle because of the clip. Someone must hae foukd and claimed it, since I didn't find it back tracking.
My compact 1911 was in a outside the pants holster with a belt clip. DaRn thing fell off my belt in the car. I'm curently looking for a nice affordable S.O.B. holster with belt loops or a vertical shoulder holster for it.
I've never had a sheath knife carried vertcally fall out of the sheath.

Hello afish,
Bummer loosing your RAT1. Yep! I too just do not trust "clip style" type Sheaths and/or Holsters. That being said, afish, I "personally" would advise NOT going with a S.O.B. Holster. I think there is too much that can go wrong and/or be a big disadvantage. For instance, if God forbid, you happen to slip/trip and fall on your BACK, do you really want to land hard on top of a 1911 between the ground and your Spine ? No thank you. Also (imho) it's a looong way to reach ones Arm and Hand for a Firearm (i.e. it too slow and iffy). Also (in my case) due to having a "Shoulder" issue (on my strong side) and the last thing I want/need to do is the extra effort/distance to reach around my Back as opposed to dropping my (Strong side) Hand (more or less) straight down and secure a solid/firm grip (which is SUPER important). afish, might I suggest going with a "Strong Side" O.W.B. Holster worn in at (about 3 to 4 O'clock) position. I personally like a "Custom Leather" Holster but, I have to admit, KYDEX is much FASTER! Best of luck to you afish.

Buy once, cry once. https://www.ttgunleather.com/shop-owb-holsters

HARDBALL
 
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Yeah, beltclips kinda suck.
The only way I like them is on something that I'm wearing inside waistband, that already rides about right naturally. If it doesn't ride pretty close to right on it's own, I suggest you just don't mess with it. Just my opinion. Even then I bend the bottom edge of the clip inward with my multitool so that it doesn't stick out anymore and has no chance to catch on anything.
 
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