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Knife Scene Censored

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LONDON, July 2 — Citing the film’s “glamorization of knives,” Britain’s censors have forced Paramount Pictures to cut scenes in “Lara Croft: Tomb Raider” in order to get a kid-friendly rating.

I saw the film with my twin 12 year old daughters (big fans of the computer games). There was minor use of a knife but huge amounts of ammunition expended. For a nation with a long and glorious cutlery tradition this is very sad. Unfortunately, it seem to be only a matter to time until we suffer the same fate.
 
If I remember correctly, the faintly ridiculous Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story had to be edited to remove a scene involving the manipulation of nunchaku. Wouldn't want the UK's subjects to get any fancy-pants ideas about how to defend themselves (or pretend to).
 
then why don't they take out the scene where angelina jolie's floppy tits are bouncing all over the room as she's running in slow-mo? geez... censorship really burns me... :mad:
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Man, those folks who sit on the Censorship board should get out more. I've seen more knife use in my own kitchen than in Tomb Raider...

The Censors in my country in their all-encompassing, unquestionable wisdom banned Shindler's List from local cinemas as "glorifying the jew culture". What the @#%$!?? What a bunch of secular, misguided wankers...

Wish we could we could just ship all these self-elected protectors of the public to some deserted "Survivor" island where they are free to regulate and all forms of "subversive and culturally inappropriate activities" to their hearts content and leave the rest of us to our foolishness :mad:

Andrew L
 
Yep its SAD all right:(

We had Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles as the 'Ninja' part was not sutable:barf: :barf: :barf: stupid stupid stupid. While they worry about the sheeple who worry about what they are allowed to do. I do what I want, when I want and am sensible about it.I have had no problems and don't intend to have any problems. A bad law is asking to be bent and bust if you ask me. :mad:

Politicians think anything about the MA's or knives or guns can only cause a 'culture' to form. They see the violence in the rest of the world, and to be blunt America is oft cited. They know they can't stop the criminals, but by God they can stop the civilians from getting in on the 'game'. If we had a police force that could protect us all the time, we would not need to worry and the argument against knives etc would be mostly valid. They are still an utility item for me though, NOT a WEAPON!

Look at our police though? They can't stop young thugs terrorising old people and families alike, many people can't walk the dog after 9pm for the gangs of souless teenagers who cause havoc. When you are backed up in a corner, do you give up and hope they stop before killing you? Hope the police are within 10 mins of helping you? Or do you defend yourself with whatever you have on you?

This is what scares the politicians, if we can defend ourselves, do we need THEM as much? Rant over:rolleyes:
 
Carefull, General, you're starting to sound like us "rebellious Yanks". :) They might come and take you away - no more Lankashire hot pot !!!!
 
Originally posted by The General
Politicians think anything about the MA's or knives or guns can only cause a 'culture' to form. They see the violence in the rest of the world, and to be blunt America is oft cited. They know they can't stop the criminals, but by God they can stop the civilians from getting in on the 'game'. If we had a police force that could protect us all the time, we would not need to worry and the argument against knives etc would be mostly valid. They are still an utility item for me though, NOT a WEAPON!

Wayne, this is not really directed at you as an Individual, but if you so desire, print it out and hand it around, if nothing else, you'll piss of a bedwetter over there...

I have a hard time with the British Concept, as well as the American Liberal's Concept, of "Civilization" versus "Barbarism."

British "Civilization" is not even allowing a woman a can of Pepper Spray to defend herself, and when she pulls out a plain pocketknife, not a "Tactical Folder," but something described as a, "Penknife," she gets arrested for carrying an "Offensive Weapon" when she used it on her attacker. [I can document this]

You see the same nonsense growing over here as well with regard to some incredibly twisted concept of "Civilization." In a Civlization, I don't think you would see Violent Predators released and then the Citizens, their prey, disarmed. Yet, that is the Liberal's idea of "Civilized Society" here.

To me, that is Barbarism, not Civilization...

Now you see, America takes alot of heat because, quite frankly, this is a violent country. There is a reason for that. It is The Nature of The Beast. Our violence has grown geometrically with the growth of Liberalism. Crime began to really take a firm hold in this country once Doctors were handed the Keys to Prisons and Wardens no longer mattered, when we went from Punishment to Rehabilitation.

One Infamous Liberal who was responsible was Dr. Karl Menninger. He wrote a book back in the late 1950s or the 60s entitled, "The Crime of Punishment." He was one of the Doctors who "Reformed" American Prisons. Read about it before you call B.S. on it.

America was born out of Violent Struggle. But it did get better, then there was our Civil War, then it stabilized. Domestically, between the American Revolutionary War (Happy Independence Day today!) and the Civil War, we had for the most part, a Great Domestic Peace. After the Civil War and up until a few decades ago, we had a Great Peace. Domestically.

[Liberals often cite "The Wild West" when a State here passes Concealed Carry of Handgun laws. They say it is was more violent then. Then they say there will be a return to that violence if these laws are passed...

That's another lie. The American West was tame when compared to a stroll through South Central L.A.]

Then something happened. It's just like school shootings. Instead of looking at the root of the problem, the Liberal looks at the inanimate object that was the tool used. There have always been schools, always been bullies and believe it or not, there have always been guns in this country. Something else changed and the Liberal can only find the gun to blame. It's a lie. Don't you hate the rancid stench of a blatant lie?

Britain, sooner or later, is going to suffer the same fate for the same reason. As The Family breaks down, you are already seeing it, handguns are banned in Britain, yet, they have growing use of guns in crime. How can this be? It's sure as hell not the NRA causing it.

It's because it was never about guns to begin with. Nor is it about knives.

As for the British Government or any British Sociologist or Commentator having an opinion about my country, they can stick this in their pipe and smoke it. It tastes real good too... Especially on The Fourth of July.

When it comes to kicking ass or eating sauerkraut, the British Government loves their Bastard Offspring across the pond.

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[Smacking lips sarcastically] "Oh, I say, you American Chaps are very vee-o-lent."
 
What can I say? I was a member of a gun club. That made me 'weird' to start with. I am a knife collector, however, quite UNLIKE the freaks that collect 'weapons' as it gives them a false sense of 'manhood'.

I used a pistol on the firing range for target practice. I was close to being able to enter the comps as a marksman. I used a Walther .22 target pistol more often than not. I tried the big stuff but after the big bang and smoke, lost interest. A bit like my Vaq Grande! It soon wears a bit thin. Well guns were banned, there we go, end of story. I stood up and said NO! The sheeple said YES YES YES! Ban guns! So they did.

Sooner or later they will target knives, will I hand them in? What do you think?

For the record, I never bought a pistol as I saw the legislation comming and avoided the pit falls. I know a lot of people that lost a LOT of money, not to mention collectable firearms to this stupid law.

Don I understand the point you are making, I mostly agree with it. Even if a lot of it is anti British in sentiment. I also know you are not making a personal attack against me. At heart I am a rebellious person, perhaps I was born on the wrong side of the pond?

I realise things are not good for us Brits, but please don't think we are all cowards or sheeple. We have a history of a fighting spirit and we would fight to the last for our country, families and allies. We are not cowards and never have been. However, when as a knife collector I am in the tiny tiny tiny minority of KnifeKnuts in the UK, when they pass a law, I am obliged to obay it. As a rule I do, but from time to time I carry a knife that requires me to give a 'reasonable reason' for having in a public place. I NEVER carry an illegal item however, NEVER. I do what I can and stay out of trouble. I had a job interview today that went very well, it was for a managers position on a book shop. Pay is crap, but it gives me a GREAT reason for carrying a Spyderco Military! Opening packages and cutting plastic ties! Who said I can carry this? Well I am the Manager for Gods sake!:p . Lets hope I get the job... Wish me luck:)
 
Originally posted by Razoredj
If I remember correctly, the faintly ridiculous Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story had to be edited to remove a scene involving the manipulation of nunchaku. Wouldn't want the UK's subjects to get any fancy-pants ideas about how to defend themselves (or pretend to).

Razoredj, it's funny you mention this. I was looking in the Asian World of Martial Arts catalog and noticed that (no surprise) it wouldn't ship nunchaku - even plastic foam covered ones - to CA, MA, or NY. That didn't surprise me, but I also noticed you couldn't buy a THREE SECTION STAFF!

Now I'm sure the uniform stats on nunchaku used in crimes is low, but I'd bet that I could count the number of muggings and gang fights that featured three section staffs on one hand.

Hell, I'm 100% in favor of giving three section staffs to muggers, let them knock themselves out. Literally:)
 
Originally posted by The General
Don I understand the point you are making, I mostly agree with it. Even if a lot of it is anti British in sentiment. I also know you are not making a personal attack against me. At heart I am a rebellious person, perhaps I was born on the wrong side of the pond?

I realise things are not good for us Brits, but please don't think we are all cowards or sheeple. We have a history of a fighting spirit and we would fight to the last for our country, families and allies. We are not cowards and never have been.

It is not so much "Anti-British" as it is, "Anti-Authoritarian Rule." I could write the same piece, slightly modified for many nations.

I never called any Brit a Coward, you do have a history of fighting, good fighters, in fact, had you been any better or had we received less help 225 years ago, your Queen might be Mine as well...

The Image of the Poster, that I posted earlier is proof of that Wayne, but don't examine it in the light of "Don is calling us cowards." That is not the message.

The message was the exact opposite of that, that the British People wanted to fight when it counted.

But I posted it for two specific reasons;

British People now talking about "Violent Americans" have balls big enough to be carted around in a wheelbarrow. Because alot of "Violent Americans" kept the British from speaking German and eating lots of sausage.

"Violent American Citizens" answered the call for the British People and shipped their PRIVATELY OWNED WEAPONS, later to be melted down by the British Government after the war.

So, knowing the truth, I get more than a little bent when I see some British Commentator speaking of, "Violent Americans."

Alot of Americans died for your right to speak and live as you do now, even though your own Government seeks to squelch you Wayne.

No one loves a Soldier until the Enemy is at The Gate and no one loves a Violent American until we ship some of our youngest, best and brightest to die for them.

Those were the points.
 
LMAO!

Yep, I can still feel the bruises from my nunchaku practice days... A sharp whap upside the head does wonders to help maintain concentration ;)

The law was probaby made by people who have never even held a nunchaku or a 3-section staff. Maybe they're trying to protect the muggers from their own foolishness. If i meet a thug with the skill to use a 3-section staff, I'd ask him to sign up for the next Jet Li movie.

Originally posted by TomMarker


Razoredj, it's funny you mention this. I was looking in the Asian World of Martial Arts catalog and noticed that (no surprise) it wouldn't ship nunchaku - even plastic foam covered ones - to CA, MA, or NY. That didn't surprise me, but I also noticed you couldn't buy a THREE SECTION STAFF!

Now I'm sure the uniform stats on nunchaku used in crimes is low, but I'd bet that I could count the number of muggings and gang fights that featured three section staffs on one hand.

Hell, I'm 100% in favor of giving three section staffs to muggers, let them knock themselves out. Literally:)
 
Sorry Don if you thought I was accusing you of calling Brits cowards, I was not. I accept the points you make and hope you see my comments as a general 'gripe' at those (yes they have said it here) that see the Brits in this light. As a point of history, the American war of Independence was won only with the help of the French. I see from your comments that you hint to this. Again I am not knocking you, but just pointing out the facts for those who were unaware of this, I am sure you are. The point oft made that the American forces single handidly won both world wars is often stated. I will not go OTT on this, as we owe you a debt of thanks for helping us win the war. Brave and generous servicemen gave their lives for freedom. However, America was not going to join in the war. The only reason America joined with us, is quite simply because Japan attacked at Pearl Harbour and Hitler in an insane act declared war on America soon after in support of Japan. This forced you into the war. The general opinion before this was that it was our problem and not yours. A fair point often made, which I agree with. Enough history from me.

I agree that many Brit 'commentators' are oft found bashing Americans for being violent and having a violent culture. Unfortunatly this is the commonly held opinion amoungst the British people. A sad fact, one I am ashamed of. I don't agree with that after speaking at length to many of you and while it is not my place to appologise, I am sorry we have that view of you.
 
The bottom line here, I believe, is the fact that the liberal media is trying to influence the laws of our great nation. I know this topic was about Britsh censors, but the same thing is happening in our own country. Not a day goes by that I don't hear about some 14 yr. old in a suburban middle school using a (insert evil weapon of the week) to maim, dismember, or kill a fellow stuent. Is the weapon the problem, or is it the totally sh*tty (or absent) parenting skills exhibited by the alleged perpetrator's caregivers. I say caregivers because if they were parents , then he would have never taken a (insert evil weapon of the week) to school. Or........have you heard the one about the incredibly hypocritical Hollywood know-it-all named Rosie O'Donnell who publicly speaks out against gun ownership only to have her bodyguard caught carrying a loaded firearm on school grounds.

The point is, anyone can argue that any given item is a weapon. You could be killed by a blow to the head with a table lamp, but no one is trying to ban table lamps. Or tire irons (try to change a flat now, huh). Or rocks. No more hikes on your favorite trail without a background check.....too many readily accessible weapons. How far is it going to go. Will our belts eventually be outlawed because they can be used to strangle someone?

Enough is enough. I'm just an ordinary guy. I don't walk around looking for people to bury my knife in just because I carry one any more than I'm looking for someone to strangle with the new belt I just bought. It makes me mad to see our lawmakers taking away our right to protect ourselves against the increasing number of criminals they are releasing from prison each day. The strong prey on the defenseless, and laws don't matter to someone who makes a living breaking them anyway.

Just my .02

FUBAR
 
I remember a Brit comedien (forgot who it was, possibly Eddy Izzard) who brought up the subject of gun control and guns.

He started by making the oft claimed possition that its the person using the gun and not the gun doing the killing. This got a few laughs from the audience. He then made his hand into a 'gun' shape and began to go bang bang bang at the audience. He then pretended to hold an assult rifle and fired away in a childish manner. He did this for about 15 secs. He then said...anyone dead? His point was well made I think.

Now I don't agree with this point, but lets face it a gun is an easy weapon to use to kill a LOT of people. Yes a car can kill as can a knife or a baseball bat or a pencil or even a hand, BUT it takes a lot of guts and practice to kill with skill. To use a gun, you point and pull a trigger, at close range even a chimp can't miss. I speak with over two years experience in a UK gun club and five years in the UK armed forces cadets. I was trained to respect and use firearms. Do I miss them? Not really, they were something to be used as an item for training and disapline, not as a weapon or for self defence. I found other hobbies. I realise there are a lot of sad people that get a kick out of owning guns and if I am honst, if I had the cash and lived in the US I would buy the following:

1. 2x Glock 20 10mm handguns (for the whole John Woo thing)
2. 1x fully auto Car-15 with a 100 round drum (Heat!)
3. 1x fully auto MP5/10mm
4. 1x Desert Eagle .50AE (Because:D)
5. 1x Steyer AUG 7.62x51 fully auto (good enough for the SAS)
6. 1x Robar sniper rifle in .300 WM

Because that is what I would like to own, but if it does not come to pass, I for one won't shead a tear.
 
Originally posted by Loki
LONDON, July 2 - Citing the film?s ?glamorization of knives,? Britain?s censors have forced Paramount Pictures to cut scenes in ?Lara Croft: Tomb Raider? in order to get a kid-friendly rating.
Eventually UK will become a communist country, not sure how the Queen will fit in that pic, but the rest is pretty much the same :( I guess it doesn't matter whether it'll be a general secretary or a royal family.
There was another article on the net, regarding debates in UK about legalizing marihuana. So what is the goal after all? To have unarmed potheads in majority?
 
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