Knife Skills and Usage

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Well, seeing as we've been delving more into the concept of skills and abilities, than gear and advances in technology I thought I'd keep with the theme.
That said, it's only natural for a bunch of knife nuts to be proficient in knife usage and skills, particularly as it relates to bushcraft/campcraft/woodscraft/whatever-you-want-to-call-it-craft.

I thought it would be a fun idea to list some exercises that not only require a sharp, but KEEP you sharp, your carving and whittling skills at least.

With any luck, this will take off and we'll even have some participants post pictures and tips/tricks that make things easier. The best part is, this is something most everyone can do, even those who still can't make it outside. As long as you can make it to the hardware store, or craft shop for some basswood, or the stock of your choice.
I'm not saying we could pull off organized group projects with a new one every week, but it's crossed my mind, and that would be fantastic. I think everyone could benefit though; From lurkers who may be new to woodcraft/campcraft/bushcraft learning and developing proper technique and safety, to old-timers and salts learning or remembering a trick, tip, or just a new way of doing things.
Everyone seems to want to jump right into the advanced things, such as celestial navigation, plant and fungi identification, tracking and trapping. That's all fine and well, but I think, as with anything else, you need to develop a firm base and then build onto it from there.

If you ask most folks, "Do you know how to use a knife?" the answer will invariably be, "Ofcourse!" and for some things, that's true. It's as simple as cut away from you, keep it sharp, sheath it, clean it, oil it, etc.
Now, ask this same group of folks to whittle you a chain, or a ball in a cage, or a try stick, or form a Ojibwa bird trap, and they instantly get this look of bewilderment :confused:

A short list to get us started on ideas and test the waters. Keep in mind this is by no means a complete list, and is welcome to amendments/suggestions. I'll try to list them in order of difficulty(in my opinion).

Easy:
Putting a symmetrical-conical point on a pencil or stick
Feather sticks
Tent peg/stake
Pot hanger
Spring-up snare trigger
Fishing gorge

Intermediate:
Paiute deadfall set
Figure 4 deadfall set
Fish hooks
Trapper's cabin(think Lincoln logs, only with sticks whittled to form a symmetrical square "cabin"). *
Harpoon/spear/frog gig
Spoon+fork=spork! (carve the whole set) :p

Advanced:
Swinging pot hanger/door hinges
Wooden chain
Ball in a cage
Pliars
Ojibwa bird pole(with squared male-female joint)
Numerous variations including chain in a cage, two balls in a cage, balls in an hourglass, etc. Most of the advanced carving is simply combining the other more basic techniques, and then is limited only by your imagination and resourcefulness.

I could go on listing more things, but I'm more interested in what you do to keep your knife skills "sharp", and what tricks you might have. That and I'd just basically like to spur some discussion on the matter. Afterall, I already know what's in my head...show me what's in yours. :thumbup:

*Edited to note: The term Trapper's Cabin came about, according to legend, because trappers were known for their skill and prowess with a blade and were constantly honing their skills so that they would have the most sensitive and effective trap triggers.

Gautier
 
Come on folks, surely someone has something interesting to contribute. I find it hard to believe that after 51 views nobody has anything to say. Any feed back would be a boon.
In a forum this varied I find it hard to believe noone has any tips/tricks to share on this sort of thing, or at least some criticism as to how practical/impractical carving a ball in a cage or wooden chain is.


Gautier
 
Gautier, I find when I post a "heady thread" when it is mostly night time in the Western Hemisphere, the responses don't start coming in much until daylight the next day. Most of our members happen to live in this hemisphere, although I'm grateful we are getting so many more accomplished international members!

Also, we have a few threads running at once right now. I'd suggest being patient, and people will come around. If you browbeat everyone, it may work against you.

Just some advice and encouragement from someone who has been there! Patience will get you everywhere. :thumbup:
 
Woops, my biological clock must be off, I didn't realize it was this late. That explains a lot. I don't mean to sound as though I'm forcing anything down anyone's throats, or "brow beating" a subject. I just didn't realize what time it was :o Such is the trouble with working swingshift and drinking after work. hehe
Thanks for reminding me of what time it is Brian, as usual your SuperMod powers know no bounds.


Gautier
 
You're welcome. We all have to allow people to choose whether they are interested in responding, or not, and respect it either way. We have no choice, nor control over them, and frustration only makes us feel bad, and not them. ;)

Edited to add: You can offer, encourage, inspire, or cheer people on to participate, but you can never force them. If you find yourself forcing, then you have to take responsibility for failing to do the first parts.
 
Advanced -ball in cage ?? I think I made that when I was 8 or 9 !! And carving meat should be on the list [butchering included in that] You'll never be without an invitation to Thanksgiving if you can carve a turkey !!!
 
Well
I got these two books that I have read===>
http://www.amazon.com/Whittling-Woodcarving-E-J-Tangerman/dp/0486209652/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205309239&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/How-Carve-Wood-Techniques-Woodworking/dp/0918804205/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205309374&sr=8-1

Now I need to start practicing!!

Tell me more about the gorge fishing hooks
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Well, I remember my granddad teaching me how to carve the chain and ball in a cage when I was about the same age(8 or 9) but not everyone is as fortunate. So, I thought I'd mention it.
As for the gorges, they really are Easy, as I've labeled them, Trent. As a matter of fact, the bottom two in your first picture look to be perfect gorges for fishing.
It's basically a stick carved with points at either side, similar to the way one would point a pencil, with a notch in the center for line attachment. One simply ties the center to a line(especially useful to make the notch as you have in your photos) to a bit of cordage and threads it through the bait(worm, minnow, etc.) to consume the entire thing. Once a fish bites and swallows the gorge a tug on the line reorients the gorge causing it to lodge in the fish's gut, thus allowing you to reel it in.
Gorgeous pictures by the way Trent, and this is exactly the sort of thing that I was hoping to see, practical application of knife skills and wood working to create functional pieces.
I'm impressed with those needles. Do you use them for netting?


Gautier
 
Dammit Jim I'm a Web Surfer!! Not a carver!!! :cool:

I found those pics on The Net because I had never heard the term fish gorge before
I have seen the bottom ones on National Geographic type stuff
I could probably carve the top ones :confused:
The feather stick idea sounds good too
I'm pretty sure I could do that too..........
 
haha. Well, those are pretty good photos to emulate, the top four look like good netting/large sewing needles and the bottom two look more like gorges.
They say that immitation is the highest form of compliment, and I'm sure the person that did those carvings wouldn't mind that you sought them out as examples of wood working skills.
That said, if there are any questions as to how to replicate, or what, I was talking about in my original post I'd be happy to reply with instructions(to the best of my ability). Maybe the wife would let me steal her camera to better illustrate things. Tomorrow I'll have new knife in and might have some pictures to post as I test the blade. Will try to cover some of the basic notching and joint techniques if I can.


Gautier
 
Getting your knives out and doing different cutting and carving tasks is the only way to really tell how they work. Not to mention it's fun and good practice to make different things. I'm no carver by any means, but I can make a couple things that look ugly but work.
A pet peeve of mine is when somebody tells you they have found the perfect knife, but it's completely unused! Well, how can you tell it's the perfect knife then?!
 
Easy:
Putting a symmetrical-conical point on a pencil or stick
Feather sticks
Tent peg/stake
Pot hanger
Spring-up snare trigger
Fishing gorge

Intermediate:
Paiute deadfall set
Figure 4 deadfall set
Fish hooks
Trapper's cabin(think Lincoln logs, only with sticks whittled to form a symmetrical square "cabin"). *
Harpoon/spear/frog gig
Spoon+fork=spork! (carve the whole set) :p

Advanced:
Swinging pot hanger/door hinges
Wooden chain
Ball in a cage
Pliars
Ojibwa bird pole(with squared male-female joint)
Gautier

Interesting post.:thumbup: I've been goofing around with many of the skills listed above. We still have snow on the ground up here, and I'm getting twitchy.........

At any rate, I'm finishing up a bowl, and a trout serving platter this week, and will be moving on the more difficult carvings later on. I'm really more interested in "useful" carvings, but the skill it takes to create a ball in a cage for instance is a good on to have if for no other reason than it gives you an intimate knowledge of your chosen tool.

Not just the knife either. I use one of my favorite axes (GB Scandi Forest Axe) to hew out large blocks of bass wood (buy in bulk it's cheaper) for whatever I'm creating. It's a little big for the job, but also the most likely to be with me so it's nice to know it inside and out.


Getting your knives out and doing different cutting and carving tasks is the only way to really tell how they work. Not to mention it's fun and good practice to make different things. I'm no carver by any means, but I can make a couple things that look ugly but work.
A pet peeve of mine is when somebody tells you they have found the perfect knife, but it's completely unused! Well, how can you tell it's the perfect knife then?!

Amen to that Brother. Seems that sometimes it's more important to procure the perfect knife, than actually use it. :(
 
Personally, I don't have any tricks. I just use my knives for whatever is needed, and sometimes doing some wood work for my own amusement. It's not something I actually practice for the sake of practice alone, as I've done a little too much of the stuff to want or need to practice it further. Wooden utensils are some of my favourites to do on the field. A wooden fork and even a wooden knife are fun to have around - and using a wooden knife for slicing food keeps your steel knives clean, too. ;) Then there's always carving little wooden statues, usually depicting some folks I know. Those are fun to make. :)
 
A pet peeve of mine is when somebody tells you they have found the perfect knife, but it's completely unused! Well, how can you tell it's the perfect knife then?!

tknife, I agree. It's like a woman. I've thought I found the perfect woman many times based on her looks. Then, I found otherwise when I performed some sort of task with her.... :eek::eek::eek: :D :D :D

(PC Disclaimer: To be fair to our female members, no doubt this is as true in reverse!)
 
Interesting thread. It would be cool if someone posted picture tutorials on how to do some of that stuff.

As for me, I can do:

Pointy sticks
Feathersticks
tent peg
Pot hanger? Wouldn't that be just a tent peg with a second hook instead of a point?
Figure 4 deadfall

I've been wanting to try some of the other stuff, especially things like ball in cage and figures, but wood is kinda scarce in the city, and I can't justify buying a piece of wood, especially when I know I'm just going to butcher the heck out of it then through it away lol.

I did do a little canoe out of a twig once, but it didn't come out that great though.
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tknife, I agree. It's like a woman. I've thought I found the perfect woman many times based on her looks. Then, I found otherwise when I performed some sort of task with her.... :eek::eek::eek: :D :D :D

(PC Disclaimer: To be fair to our female members, no doubt this is as true in reverse!)

Lol, that's a survival skill of a whole other kind :D
 
Interesting thread. It would be cool if someone posted picture tutorials on how to do some of that stuff.

I'm putting together a tutorial on the bowl, and serving platter. Not finished, and probably won't be for a week or so. It will start from a 16" x 5" x 7" piece of Bass wood, and go from there.

Tools I'm using are:

Frosts crooked knife
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Mora 510
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and Gransfors Scandi Forest axe.

Sorry for the blatant thread hijack.:o
 

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I'm carving/whittleing a ball in a cage right now. I dont get to work on it all that often but dang its harder than I thought. I'm mostly just using my SAK camper model. By your scale I should have started something easier but I guess I can do them later.

I think in addition you the ones your listed you could add chopsticks, tongs/tweezers, skewers, cup/bowl/shotglass, plate, for the real experts maybe some wooden shoes.
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