Knife Terminology

Glad you are enjoying this, Stroker!
A famous knife maker from Wilfred noticed something amiss with one of the knives I posted above. I helped it a bit; can you see what it was?? (besides the fingerprints, that is:p)
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You are too fast for me!! Good eye!
Filing the kick also hid the exposed point of the spey blade.
Caution for those trying this; filing the kick can also lower the spring when the blade is closed!! The result here was a slight drop from flush. You can just feel it with your thumbnail.
 
You are too fast for me!! Good eye!
Filing the kick also hid the exposed point of the spey blade.
Caution for those trying this; filing the kick can also lower the spring when the blade is closed!! The result here was a slight drop from flush. You can just feel it with your thumbnail.

Plus...it's difficult, if not impossible sometimes, to recover from going TOO FAR. Achtung or yer bladen vill be schmackin der schpringwerk. :D
 
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Waynorth: Everything about this knife of yours is outstanding. I saw it in the Old Knives thread. The handles, greenbone I guess. The subtle cut out for the pen. I was going to ask you what the pattern, but I think I finally found it in the 1936 E Supplement pg 96. Interesting arrangement of blades. Is it the 4" 8323B Equal End Knife? Anyway, it is a really pretty, and interesting. Is it a split back? :confused:
 
Yes! to your questions Hal. The handle is definitely greenbone, but is usually referred to as Peachseed, because of the jigging. Glad you like it! It is one of my top ten for sure.
 
Thanks. And a perfect example, like the old catalogs state, crocus polished main blade, other blades glaze polished. What a beauty.
 
This thread had another long sleep. At least, I see, it is being read occasionally!
This term has come up in a couple other threads, so let's talk a little about HALF-STOPS!
Sometimes called safety stops, half-stops refers to a design element of blades that cause said blade to come to rest at 90 degrees from closed.
Some people love them, others don't. I prefer them, as much as for the extra effort it takes to build them in, as for the safety they provide. They stop the blade, so you can change the position of your fingers if you wish, to more gently close the blade. I like snap, but often close a blade gently, easing it shut a bit. It's like shifting gears in a performance car. If you slam shift it all the time, it will break when you least want it to!!
When I had Queen build me some Harness Jacks, I discovered one of the reasons that cutlers do NOT put them in. It has to do with an esthetic sense as much as anything. Generally (with exceptions) a rounded end bolster will not include half stops. The designer at Queen at the time, did not like to see square ended tangs hiding between rounded bolsters; he felt that rounded bolsters looked overall, better with rounded tangs.
Looking through my older knives, I found that his thinking is based in tradition. Most older pieces follow this pattern.
My feeling is, a punch blade should always have a half stop, because of the way it is used. Screwdriver blades the same. Of course "locking" is better for both, but not often seen on punches.
It is hard to take pictures of this with my scanner, so I am going to ask you skilled camera users to provide some pics of this detail.
The square and flush finish at the bolsters on some current Great Easterns is a good example of the square bolster with half-stop situation.
All my canoes seen above have round tangs, so no half stops.
Please show us a picture or two, of the tangs in between the bolsters!
 
I don't think I have exactly what you're looking for Charlie,but here is a close up of a Ruple copperhead (front bolster similar to a canoe) square tang
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If this T Bose knife had bolsters I guess they'de be square,right?
Here is a square tang flush/square bolster
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This picture was taken by LarryM for Ken Erickson,to show splitback whittler views,but it shows rounded bolster/round tang
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And that,leads to.....some of those big whittlers,the main blades have the half stop,small blades don't
 
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Thanks Vince. The Bose has the traditional style, square with half stops.
Bill Ruple's knife proves the exception, that not all rounded bolster knives exclude half-stops. (I wrote that sentence, and even I don't understand it:p)
The artistic license of the custom maker kicks in here. He can put half stops in a copperhead (rounded) bolster if he wants.
So does anyone have a production copperhead with half-stops (square bolsters)?
 
Na I don't have one like that.I just looked,most my modern production slips,if they have rounded bolsters,they don't have half stops
The top knife in this picture,the Keen Kutter,I guess that's called a sleeveboard pen or something like that ? That one has round bolsters,the main blade rounded tang,the small pen,half stops (square tang)
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No half-stops anywhere on these; 2 copperlocks, and a 70s Case big whittler.
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Interesting exception on your pen blade, Vince. I found one here, also. 3 Sheffield knives, all with round tangs, except the main blade on the multi-rat (we need the Pied Piper here) "Slash". The pen on that one is rounded.
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Seems like we are proving here that MOST but not all knives follow the rule of square bolsters more likely to have half stops.

see reason for editing!
 
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Swayback Jacks have rounded bolsters and half stops ;)

(at least some well known makers from Wilfred do it that way)
 
Swayback Jacks have rounded bolsters and half stops ;)

(at least some well known makers from Wilfred do it that way)
I see what you mean, Kerry, looking at Vince's astounding collection! I guess my observation applies more to the old stuff.
But I think some of the Wilfred bolsters are not fully rounded, not that it makes a difference. They are semi-rounded, with one or two more square than the others, don't you think?
I just went through 11 old cattle knives I have handy, equal end cigar shaped knives, and none have half-stops. It certainly isn't a rule though. There are a goodly number of exceptions.
 
My QCCC English Jack has round bolsters and 1/2 stops. I am looking for a Canoe with 1/2 stops and am wondering of the QCCC Canoe has them or not?
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....meanwhile, back at the ranch....
So, "rounded" and "radiused" are two different things.

Rounded bolsters really round dramatically. Those are the knives that you are saying GENERALLY have cam ends. Conversely, knives with half stops have square ended bolsters or have some sort of fancy radius or pinch.
 
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