Knife Training and Visualization

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This is an old post I had in the CSSD forum. I thought some people who were interested in using mental visualization for their own training might find it helpful. I have found that visualization is a great way to train the nervous system. I would be interested to know experiences of people who have used visualization for their training.

For anyone interested in mental visualization I can recommend two books. The first is called the Mental Edge. You should be able to find it on the internet, martial arts catalogues or gun shows. The author deals with how martial artists and self-defense minded citizens can use mental visualization to help them prepare for the mean streets of America. He also covers relaxation techniques and self-hypnosis. The other book is called Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz. Psycho Cybernetics is a self-help psychology book but it gives great insights on how visualization and shadow-boxing can be used to program your nervous system. Maltz’ book might be harder to come by as it was published at least twenty five years ago. Maltz’ book and the Mental Edge both refer to studies that have shown that people who use mental visualization exclusively (no hands on practice) have done almost well as those who have done hands on practice. One study dealt with throwing basketballs and darts. There were three groups, 1. Practiced throwing the ball and darts 2. No practice with either method and 3. Using only mental visualization. The study found that the people who did practice hands on did the best, but those who did strictly mental visualization did almost as well. When you combine hands on practice with mental visualization, the results can be stunning! Pro and Olympic Athletes have used mental visualization techniques for years to help improve their performance.

As far as using mental visualization for self-defense scenarios (especially knife fighting), I think you need to make it real, very real and very intense. Everyone needs to be prepared to get cut by a knife. A cut will shock your mind and nervous system…if you are not prepared for it. You cannot practically replicate getting cut through hands-on experience. But you can use your imagination. If you want to get real gritty, you can go to the local library and find some paramedic books of people that have been cut with knives or hurt by impact weapons. This will give you an idea of the kind of physical wound a cut can leave. Imagine yourself getting cut, taking the cut…but at the same time escaping from your attacker or beating your attacker. You must also imagine yourself cutting your attacker. Combat is a horrific experience and stabbing or cutting someone in self-defense can give you a shock. You need to be prepared for either situation. You also need to imagine yourself ESCAPING from someone who pulls a knife on you. Because escape is always your best option in a situation like that.
 
Yes, unfortunately things like this were shut down with that Forum (CSSD). Hopefully, in the near future, you will at least be able to go over and fetch the information and cut and paste it into new Threads...this was one such Thread that was excellent.

We pay "Mindset" alot of lip service...yet, alot of people would call Visualization garbage.

They conveniently forget the mind controls the body and not the other way around. Your intent comes from your Mind, not your body.

I heard Chuck Norris in an Interview once refer to Visualization and the fact that by the time he got in the Ring, "I had fought that man many, many times..."

It can indeed help, you can program yourself. Michael Echanis wrote about it in his book...etc.

It is valid and a valuable tool.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
It is a well established fact that visualization techniques improve human motorskill performance.

I don't think you can find an elite athlete or team that doesn't employ a sports psychologist. It is common place in college and even at the highschool level as well. Really young athletes are given specific drills that rely on mental imagery and visualization techniques too.

If you don't utilize them as part of your training regimen, you are neglecting an important tool towards skill development.

Playing the "what if" game is a very basic form of visualization in that it allows you to explore different scenarios and generalize responses to situations. Of course the more detailed and realistic the imagery, the more powerful the benefit.

My $0.02
 
Oh yeah Steve?!?! Oh yeah?

Well, as usual, your two cents are worth much more than most people think.
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I think alot of people shy away from this sort of thing to tell you the truth, in the Martial Realm, because of the things you have to visualize...that makes it no less valid, however...

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
If people shy away from the visualization of realistic street applications, how are they going to react when the real thing starts to roll in front of them?

This ain't a movie folks.

I know of a few police recruits that have packed it in after their first day on the range when the B-27 goes up. It never clicked prior to that moment that they may have to shoot a person someday. At least they didn't have to wait until they needed the skill on the street.

IMO, visualization and realistic scenario based training should be part of everyones personal safety training program. It's as close to getting the benefit of the real experience as you can get without actually going to the "dark place".

Don,

With the Canadian dollar the way that it is, my $0.02 is worth less than pocket lint.
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Steve
 
This is a little off the topic but do any of you have dreams about knife fighting? After hours of practicing, thinking about it, reading about it and maybe even some visualization - do you find your sub-conscience generating dreams of different scenarios? I do and it gets kinda interesting. Ocassionally the intensity of the situation wakes me up and I lose a little sleep while I calm down enough to go back to sleep. Anyone want to give some details of your dreamland adventures?
 
Ive had dreams like that, sometimes i win, sometimes i loose. The worst ones are where ill slash at the guy and it barely cuts him, he just keeps on comming. Im sure there is some psychological meaning in that, but i dont whant to hear it!
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Isn't or shouldn't carenza be about visualization? That's the way I've been approaching it atleast.

Cthulhu ... I know you said you didn't want to hear this but
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... my understanding is that the dream where you cut him and he keeps coming is just a sign of doubt in your abilities. If you were losing every time, I'd be concerned, but since you have dreams where you do win, you are probably not too bad off and just need more confidence. A good sparing routine (with training blades and head & hand protection) might help. I used to have these types of dreams all the time, but I seldom have them now that I spar regularly.

Respectfully,

Dave Fulton

 
Do I think about it subconciously? Put it this way, girlfriends NEVER ask what I am thinking about any more, because after 2 months, they know the answer. Even when I'm getting yelled at, they can see that far away drift in my eyes as I am fighting my imaginary opponents. I'm glad it's not just me.

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Yeah, I had to learn to go to sleep facing away from my wife. Those pre-sleep "body jerks" were turning into knees, kicks, elbows... not good.

Now that I'm settled into that sleep habit, though, I rarely do that anymore...
 
Yeah, thats pretty much what i figured the dream was all about, they make for some b*itchen conterattacks though. I have the bad habit at stricking out at people that wake me up, after a couple "incidents" they keep there distance and yell from across the room
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