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Knife Use in SD - aftermath?
- Thread starter Chris "Anagarika"
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It could be argued that by carrying a knife suitable for self defence could only mean that you in some way planned for the event to happen. Therefore the self defence would actually be premeditated. In order to utter "self defence" in an ideal scenario, an object like a bottle, stick, 2x4, rock or someting along those lines would be precieved more like self defence items.
To put it another way. Just because you don't throw the first punch doesn't mean you wern't looking for a fight.
On the flip side, an NRA saying comes to mind "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six"
As far as AIDs is concerned. Knife or not, Just don't nick yourself and get his blood on you. Discovering such a thing would probably cause some intense worrying for quite a while.
To put it another way. Just because you don't throw the first punch doesn't mean you wern't looking for a fight.
On the flip side, an NRA saying comes to mind "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six"
As far as AIDs is concerned. Knife or not, Just don't nick yourself and get his blood on you. Discovering such a thing would probably cause some intense worrying for quite a while.
It could be argued that by carrying a knife suitable for self defence could only mean that you in some way planned for the event to happen. Therefore the self defence would actually be premeditated. In order to utter "self defence" in an ideal scenario, an object like a bottle, stick, 2x4, rock or someting along those lines would be precieved more like self defence items.
To put it another way. Just because you don't throw the first punch doesn't mean you wern't looking for a fight.
well, yes, it could be argued that way. Hell, if you take Karate your moves are somewhat preplanned, so is that premediatation?
Don't start stuff. If you can get away cleanly without getting into shi+, do it.
If you are carrying a emerson CQC-6 custom you can argue to a jury that a man who carries a knife that costs more than a handgun is a man looking to use it...
or
a man carrying a knife that expensive would never seek to engage in such a confrontation but was merely prudent in carrying a last resort tool of such a high quality so as to enable him to defend his life, or that of his family...
if you carry a POS -
a person who carries a knife like this, members of the jury, is looking for a fight...its a throwaway knife, suitable only for murder and good only to use for evil purposes. a person with peaceful intentions would have purchaced something of quality, something that is not so prone to being thrown away in a manner that a criminal would dispose of a knife...
or
members of the jury, this knife is not a fighting knife. its a piece of garbage. my client has X amount of years of experience in martial arts. his training and his evaluation of the attacker's numbers and size told him that he was at a disadvantage and required an equaliser. he looked for one, and he found the only thing he could get, a Fury-Crap folder.
members of the jury, if my client had sought out a confrontation, he would not have used a knife so poorly made as to fail and CUT HIM!!
he would have used one of the many other knives he had in his collection, a collection with knives in it worth 1500 a piece.
No, members of the jury, Mr. X did not seek this confrontation. If he had done so, he would not have come to the confrontation with that knife.
anything can be argued. depends on who your attorney is.
don't let a possible court argument affect your judgement that much.
I mean, a neutral name is great, but its going to more likely be the actions of both parties that decide the case, not the name of the knife.
people have used black tallon JHP and been acquitted in shootings because of the people's actions.
To put it another way. Just because you don't throw the first punch doesn't mean you wern't looking for a fight.
well, yes, it could be argued that way. Hell, if you take Karate your moves are somewhat preplanned, so is that premediatation?
Don't start stuff. If you can get away cleanly without getting into shi+, do it.
If you are carrying a emerson CQC-6 custom you can argue to a jury that a man who carries a knife that costs more than a handgun is a man looking to use it...
or
a man carrying a knife that expensive would never seek to engage in such a confrontation but was merely prudent in carrying a last resort tool of such a high quality so as to enable him to defend his life, or that of his family...
if you carry a POS -
a person who carries a knife like this, members of the jury, is looking for a fight...its a throwaway knife, suitable only for murder and good only to use for evil purposes. a person with peaceful intentions would have purchaced something of quality, something that is not so prone to being thrown away in a manner that a criminal would dispose of a knife...
or
members of the jury, this knife is not a fighting knife. its a piece of garbage. my client has X amount of years of experience in martial arts. his training and his evaluation of the attacker's numbers and size told him that he was at a disadvantage and required an equaliser. he looked for one, and he found the only thing he could get, a Fury-Crap folder.
members of the jury, if my client had sought out a confrontation, he would not have used a knife so poorly made as to fail and CUT HIM!!
he would have used one of the many other knives he had in his collection, a collection with knives in it worth 1500 a piece.
No, members of the jury, Mr. X did not seek this confrontation. If he had done so, he would not have come to the confrontation with that knife.
anything can be argued. depends on who your attorney is.
don't let a possible court argument affect your judgement that much.
I mean, a neutral name is great, but its going to more likely be the actions of both parties that decide the case, not the name of the knife.
people have used black tallon JHP and been acquitted in shootings because of the people's actions.
It all started when a buddy of mine and i went fishing I left a brand new leatherman
in hes tackle box and good thing too. two days later he was walking with another freind and was jumped by eight people they hit one of my freinds with a bat and smashed a bottle on the other ones head. the one who got hit with a bottle ran and now the one with my leatherman was on the ground getting stomped and beaten with the bat. Somehow he got out the knife on the leatherman I have no idea how he acomplished this while in the situation he was in. nonetheless when he got it out he just swung it blindly and nearly killed two of his attackers. The blade had never been used and was like a razor. It turns out that he stabbed one in the neck all the way to the hilt and another got multipul stabs and slices to the chest area. Both were put into intensive care. and another was slashed in the shape of a nike swoosh on the face from nose to ear. Needless to say the attackers ran away and went to the hospitol. My freind imeidiatly called the police and when they arrived they told him he did the right thing. He still had to go to court and he was found guilty of breach of peace and got 50 hours of comunity service. Now if you ask me 50 hours or getting beaten to death with a bat the choice is obvios. Also later he found out that the tip of the knife broke off in the kids cheek. I let him keep the leatherman and he still has it.
Another time I was hit in the face with a crowbar and all I had was a swiss army knife. In the middle of being kicked and punched I could not get it open. so I just punched with it in my hand and managed to fight my way out. now I always carry a knife with a thumstud or thumhole. I truly beleve that one should defend onself or others if the need arises but please don't stabb anyone unless your life depends on it. my freind who was justifyed in what he did still feels bad for what he did. but I beleve it was his only choice
in hes tackle box and good thing too. two days later he was walking with another freind and was jumped by eight people they hit one of my freinds with a bat and smashed a bottle on the other ones head. the one who got hit with a bottle ran and now the one with my leatherman was on the ground getting stomped and beaten with the bat. Somehow he got out the knife on the leatherman I have no idea how he acomplished this while in the situation he was in. nonetheless when he got it out he just swung it blindly and nearly killed two of his attackers. The blade had never been used and was like a razor. It turns out that he stabbed one in the neck all the way to the hilt and another got multipul stabs and slices to the chest area. Both were put into intensive care. and another was slashed in the shape of a nike swoosh on the face from nose to ear. Needless to say the attackers ran away and went to the hospitol. My freind imeidiatly called the police and when they arrived they told him he did the right thing. He still had to go to court and he was found guilty of breach of peace and got 50 hours of comunity service. Now if you ask me 50 hours or getting beaten to death with a bat the choice is obvios. Also later he found out that the tip of the knife broke off in the kids cheek. I let him keep the leatherman and he still has it.
Another time I was hit in the face with a crowbar and all I had was a swiss army knife. In the middle of being kicked and punched I could not get it open. so I just punched with it in my hand and managed to fight my way out. now I always carry a knife with a thumstud or thumhole. I truly beleve that one should defend onself or others if the need arises but please don't stabb anyone unless your life depends on it. my freind who was justifyed in what he did still feels bad for what he did. but I beleve it was his only choice