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Knife while jogging?
- Thread starter tc1
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I run just about everyday, more indoors than out from Dec. to March but I usually wear a pair of light weight mesh champion shorts. I carry Benchmade eclipsce, I think they call it the Ascent now... Often II forget it is even there and have to check the laundry for it...
[This message has been edited by Guntaholic (edited 12-26-2000).]
[This message has been edited by Guntaholic (edited 12-26-2000).]
another option - mainly in the winter - if your'e running with gloves - is to tuck the clip inside your left hand glove (i.e. weak hand)- its very fast into action and you never loose it.
you could also tie a string to the knife and place it over your head and under your arm pit - (in Israel rifles are carried this way - it's called cross carry) the only problem is sweat...but it doesn't bounce that much and you can carry almost any size of folder this way.
you could also tie a string to the knife and place it over your head and under your arm pit - (in Israel rifles are carried this way - it's called cross carry) the only problem is sweat...but it doesn't bounce that much and you can carry almost any size of folder this way.
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I wrote an article on running with knives for Tactical Knives magazine a few years back. Competing in ultra-marathons, I put in a number of miles year round, and am always looking for the perfect running blade.
I still run with a pair of Spyderco Delicas, right side and left side, in the waistband, slightly behind each hip. This balances the load a bit, and prevents the dreaded "shorts sag." I've found that when the waistband starts to droop, it's time to throw the shorts in the wash. The elastic seems to expand over a period of wear, and I'm guessing the heat from washing/drying causes it to contract back to its former snug itself. Shorts or tights with a drawstring pretty much eliminate the problems of accidental flashing.
For any runs over 45 minutes I always carry water. I personally like the Ultimate Directions torso packs/water bottle carriers. This increases your knife options considerably. You don't need to worry about the size or weight of the blade, and if you like, you can carry a fixed blade (I've yet to find a clip-on sheath system that will work with running shorts, where the knife and sheath don't pull out together during a draw). Typically, an Endura gets strapped to the webbing or one of the straps on the pack. So, you get a decent, inconspicuous knife carrying rig, stay hydrated, and have enough room to stash PowerBars, first aid goodies, and a cell phone. Such a deal...
I like Spydercos because of the price/performance ratio. They're also relatively inexpensive to replace if you lose one (and if you seriously run trails, eventually you will).
Joel
I still run with a pair of Spyderco Delicas, right side and left side, in the waistband, slightly behind each hip. This balances the load a bit, and prevents the dreaded "shorts sag." I've found that when the waistband starts to droop, it's time to throw the shorts in the wash. The elastic seems to expand over a period of wear, and I'm guessing the heat from washing/drying causes it to contract back to its former snug itself. Shorts or tights with a drawstring pretty much eliminate the problems of accidental flashing.
For any runs over 45 minutes I always carry water. I personally like the Ultimate Directions torso packs/water bottle carriers. This increases your knife options considerably. You don't need to worry about the size or weight of the blade, and if you like, you can carry a fixed blade (I've yet to find a clip-on sheath system that will work with running shorts, where the knife and sheath don't pull out together during a draw). Typically, an Endura gets strapped to the webbing or one of the straps on the pack. So, you get a decent, inconspicuous knife carrying rig, stay hydrated, and have enough room to stash PowerBars, first aid goodies, and a cell phone. Such a deal...
I like Spydercos because of the price/performance ratio. They're also relatively inexpensive to replace if you lose one (and if you seriously run trails, eventually you will).
Joel
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Gee, you could always run the way the group of Ex-team 2 guys did(do?) on the Long Island marathon. Boots, utilities, and LBE - no problem finding a spot for the knife <g> - They are fairly famous in that they run the SECOND half of the marathon carrying a length of telephone pole. To top it off, they finish in about 3:40 if I remember right
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A light neck knife with the proper sheath would solve the problem of the knife bouncing around (or falling through your arm hole)! The knife hangs handle down of course around your neck, but the sheath should have provision (two gromets at the hilt end for example) for a simple tie around your back. Not tight, but enough to make sure the knife moves only an inch or so in any direction no matter what your position (unless of course you do head stands)...
[This message has been edited by matthew rapaport (edited 12-27-2000).]
[This message has been edited by matthew rapaport (edited 12-27-2000).]
Excellent--A topic I am intimately familiar with.
First off let me state I am a Runner in deference to Mochiman's statement. I was given the status All American in high school for three miles (my whole starting varsity team was actually AA) and can still twelve years and many years of hard contact later can still cut a three miler in 18 minutes cold.
I have also much experience carrying knives running. There are a couple factors you need to take into account when running and thinking about knives. First, your fine motor skill are going to be shot if you need a knife in a hurry. Better have a very well practiced way of getting your knife if you wanna protect yourself with it. I carry in the front of the waistband a spyderco Endura fully serrated when it is warm out. if you are running hard, you may have the same experience with the SOB carry as I did, my butt muscle actually displaced the knife totally with movement many years back. Clatter Clatter never carried since then in SOB, metal clip may change my mind on that some day, but I still prefer the standard plastic clip knife. It fits better and comes out easier, but also stays in place as I need it. It id not come out when I dumped my bike bad a few years back.
Next question, what is your climate? As the Mochiman says, the nylon shorts are prefered. actually, I disdain true running clothes, figuring the nylon shorts with the hip seam split to be too faggy in appearance for my insecure self. Summer I wear the columbia whidbey shorts, the ones with the zipperd rear pocket (amazing how often the post run snickers jones takes a hold of me) and the elastic belt integrated (very handy to keep your clip in place IWB front between your hip and pelvis.
But in Chicago, we also have winter, where it seems everyone with a Rott or Pit just is too f()cking lazy to walk them properly, on a leash. Getting to a pocket knife clipped to your waist, especially if you are cold, hands are wet, its raining/ sleeting/ snowing and windy as hell, is bascially impossible. I bought from Marion David Poff a couple years back a spyderco Moran with an edgeworks kydex "neck sheath" Now I detest neck knives, and they will be useless inside your clothes in winter. I took a neck sized paracord loop and put my wrist thru it instead of my head, then wrap the cord twice, wioth enough slack to comfortably carry it in the weak side hand. It is invisble/ or at least very unobtrusive at almost any time of day, you have a very sharp knife with an excellent grip for retention either forward or reverse grip and the pommel is pointy but non lethal, so the labrador retreiver or small yappie mutt (either variety) who jumps to close can be poked and told gently to get back without actually harming it. Additionally, this carry retains it if i fall without is being strapped rigindly to me when I hit the ground, pretty important if you wanna avoid injury.
Around here, I do not have too many issues with people, but many with dogs, particulalry since getting a small one myself. Dogs coming at you in cold weather can be a real problem, as they do not seem to be as affected by inclement weather as we are. on the other hand, I would be comfortable enough using the Moran or spyderco with two legged trouble as with four. I prefer the Moran becasue there is no lock to worry about, and I do not have to adjust my grip in the cold or under duress, just grab it and go.
I have been running since I was walking and I agree it is good defense, but I have carried a blade wit me while doing it for 16 years. In the summer, go ahead and carry in the waist, but in winter, modify your game for a bit of flexibility.
To address the issue of carrying a folder in your hand, better have it lanyarded to your wrist, or the first time you fall you will drop it into a sewer grate or river (Mr. Murphy likes to make unscheduled appearances at all my social events)
Good Speed to you friends.
BTW, I usually run alone, I cannot do CPR to myself, but great advice for pack runners!!)
Email me if you want a pic of this rig for the moran and a pic of it in carry mode.
Parker
First off let me state I am a Runner in deference to Mochiman's statement. I was given the status All American in high school for three miles (my whole starting varsity team was actually AA) and can still twelve years and many years of hard contact later can still cut a three miler in 18 minutes cold.
I have also much experience carrying knives running. There are a couple factors you need to take into account when running and thinking about knives. First, your fine motor skill are going to be shot if you need a knife in a hurry. Better have a very well practiced way of getting your knife if you wanna protect yourself with it. I carry in the front of the waistband a spyderco Endura fully serrated when it is warm out. if you are running hard, you may have the same experience with the SOB carry as I did, my butt muscle actually displaced the knife totally with movement many years back. Clatter Clatter never carried since then in SOB, metal clip may change my mind on that some day, but I still prefer the standard plastic clip knife. It fits better and comes out easier, but also stays in place as I need it. It id not come out when I dumped my bike bad a few years back.
Next question, what is your climate? As the Mochiman says, the nylon shorts are prefered. actually, I disdain true running clothes, figuring the nylon shorts with the hip seam split to be too faggy in appearance for my insecure self. Summer I wear the columbia whidbey shorts, the ones with the zipperd rear pocket (amazing how often the post run snickers jones takes a hold of me) and the elastic belt integrated (very handy to keep your clip in place IWB front between your hip and pelvis.
But in Chicago, we also have winter, where it seems everyone with a Rott or Pit just is too f()cking lazy to walk them properly, on a leash. Getting to a pocket knife clipped to your waist, especially if you are cold, hands are wet, its raining/ sleeting/ snowing and windy as hell, is bascially impossible. I bought from Marion David Poff a couple years back a spyderco Moran with an edgeworks kydex "neck sheath" Now I detest neck knives, and they will be useless inside your clothes in winter. I took a neck sized paracord loop and put my wrist thru it instead of my head, then wrap the cord twice, wioth enough slack to comfortably carry it in the weak side hand. It is invisble/ or at least very unobtrusive at almost any time of day, you have a very sharp knife with an excellent grip for retention either forward or reverse grip and the pommel is pointy but non lethal, so the labrador retreiver or small yappie mutt (either variety) who jumps to close can be poked and told gently to get back without actually harming it. Additionally, this carry retains it if i fall without is being strapped rigindly to me when I hit the ground, pretty important if you wanna avoid injury.
Around here, I do not have too many issues with people, but many with dogs, particulalry since getting a small one myself. Dogs coming at you in cold weather can be a real problem, as they do not seem to be as affected by inclement weather as we are. on the other hand, I would be comfortable enough using the Moran or spyderco with two legged trouble as with four. I prefer the Moran becasue there is no lock to worry about, and I do not have to adjust my grip in the cold or under duress, just grab it and go.
I have been running since I was walking and I agree it is good defense, but I have carried a blade wit me while doing it for 16 years. In the summer, go ahead and carry in the waist, but in winter, modify your game for a bit of flexibility.
To address the issue of carrying a folder in your hand, better have it lanyarded to your wrist, or the first time you fall you will drop it into a sewer grate or river (Mr. Murphy likes to make unscheduled appearances at all my social events)
Good Speed to you friends.
BTW, I usually run alone, I cannot do CPR to myself, but great advice for pack runners!!)
Email me if you want a pic of this rig for the moran and a pic of it in carry mode.
Parker
All of my experience is on bike (human
powered), so the jostling is far less
than with running. As you might know,
dogs really love to chase bicyclists,
so I'm concerned in saving my own hide. Seems I always
come back to the pepper spray. I guess
I'm more willing to use it... and it is
really satisfying when that ferocious
dog stops chasing and wonders what is
happening to its sense of smell
.
I guess I could imagine using a knife
or a gun if I were down on the ground
getting torn apart, but not for the routine
stuff I get.
Obligatory knife content: I have a small
folder (Kershaw Avalanch) clipped to the
side of my bike shorts
powered), so the jostling is far less
than with running. As you might know,
dogs really love to chase bicyclists,
so I'm concerned in saving my own hide. Seems I always
come back to the pepper spray. I guess
I'm more willing to use it... and it is
really satisfying when that ferocious
dog stops chasing and wonders what is
happening to its sense of smell
.I guess I could imagine using a knife
or a gun if I were down on the ground
getting torn apart, but not for the routine
stuff I get.
Obligatory knife content: I have a small
folder (Kershaw Avalanch) clipped to the
side of my bike shorts
I carry a knife everywhere I go, including running. I have been a runner for over 25 years and would never go for a run without a knife.
I always refer to my knives as pocketknives or utility tools - never as a weapon or defensive or protective device. (regardless as to why I actually carry them....)
I carry a cheap Spyderco look-a-like with a clip (I'm not sure what the Spyderco equivalent is) when running. Cost under $5, is very light, has a partially serrated blade, won't rust, and if I lose it or break it, I just replace it.
In my early running days, I went without, until I was attacked by a dog. I started carrying Tear Gas, that only made the dogs mad. I switched to Pepper Spray, that made them real mad. So I just gave in a started carrying a knife. I am trained in the use of a knife as a defensive weapon but thankfully have never had to use it as such. I have had to pull my knife several times when running. Two of the most recent times were incidences of dogs that were not on leashes nor would they obey the commands of their owners. The owners did not like the knife, but I was not going to be attacked by a dog without getting some licks in too. One lady said she was going to call the police and I told her to make sure she told them that her dog was not on a leash (as required by law), failed to obey her commands, left her property and attacked me on public property. She backed down. A citizen should be able to walk or run on a public sidewalk without fear of being attacked.
I heard a saying once that your survival knife is the knife you have on you when a survival situation arises. Very true.
Of course, I always refer to my knives as pocketknives or utility tools and make very sure that the knife I am carrying is well within legal restrictions. Never ever tell anyone you carry a knife for protection or defense, as that statement in and of itself could make the knife a "dangerous weapon".
And now that cell phones are so small, I carry one of those when running too.
I always refer to my knives as pocketknives or utility tools - never as a weapon or defensive or protective device. (regardless as to why I actually carry them....)
I carry a cheap Spyderco look-a-like with a clip (I'm not sure what the Spyderco equivalent is) when running. Cost under $5, is very light, has a partially serrated blade, won't rust, and if I lose it or break it, I just replace it.
In my early running days, I went without, until I was attacked by a dog. I started carrying Tear Gas, that only made the dogs mad. I switched to Pepper Spray, that made them real mad. So I just gave in a started carrying a knife. I am trained in the use of a knife as a defensive weapon but thankfully have never had to use it as such. I have had to pull my knife several times when running. Two of the most recent times were incidences of dogs that were not on leashes nor would they obey the commands of their owners. The owners did not like the knife, but I was not going to be attacked by a dog without getting some licks in too. One lady said she was going to call the police and I told her to make sure she told them that her dog was not on a leash (as required by law), failed to obey her commands, left her property and attacked me on public property. She backed down. A citizen should be able to walk or run on a public sidewalk without fear of being attacked.
I heard a saying once that your survival knife is the knife you have on you when a survival situation arises. Very true.
Of course, I always refer to my knives as pocketknives or utility tools and make very sure that the knife I am carrying is well within legal restrictions. Never ever tell anyone you carry a knife for protection or defense, as that statement in and of itself could make the knife a "dangerous weapon".
And now that cell phones are so small, I carry one of those when running too.
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When I am out jogging, I usually carry a smaller knife, which I can have in my closed hand. This way, it is immediately accessible, yet does not get in the way, as a knife clipped to your jogging shorts would do. Just pick a knife that is small enough to be concealed in your closed fist.