Knifemakers Other income???

Well, all my bills are paid off. I have a big tool pile and some money in the bank. I have accumulated a pile of steel and various handle material. I am about to take the plunge. If I start to go broke, I can always whore myself back out to the oil companies for a while. I could also pick up some welding on the side. I have a basic plan, I guess.
 
I took the plunge a year ago but I had a rental income. Nowadays I had to give up from the rental income for a reason, now beginning from this new year I depend solely on knives. I have a dozen orders and a couple potential new customers. I guess I can and will handle this ...

Emre
 
A Mastersmith and good friend of mine who survives solely on his knifemaking once said to me:

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You realize how much you really love knifemaking the first time you put a pair of pliers in your mouth.

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LMAO :D Thats Beautiful Deker :thumbup: :thumbup:

I'm hanging that one somewhere in my shop ............. ;)



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I have made knives as a full time occupation begining in 2001. Knifemaking can be successfully run as a business if you have a plan to do this. Without planning it will become a frustrating job that you will spend all your money and go into debt trying to operate.
Fortunately I survived, I love making/designing knives. Learning how to run a business is as important as making the knives. My first rule of making a living as a knifemaker is, never take advice from a knifemaker on how to make money.
 
I have been full time self employed several times, my current self employment model is 50% knives 50% jewelry. I cannot afford to not have a day job as well. My wife works full time and carries the health insurance

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My wife and I have set some milestones to be met and I can become a full time maker. During last year's financial mess I was pretty much a full time maker with my "full time" job at Hyundai mainly toting insurance for me and the family. I know I can depend on knives and other arts I work in to support me and the family, I'm just conservative by nature and won't step off the ledge until I have the infrastructure for me and mine in place first. If I was single with no dependents then I'd be at it full time but I have responsibilities and don't want to have to make hard choices (not trying to step on toes, just my personal viewpoint on how I live) when it comes to my family.

Wasn't it Bill Moran that made that "I'd make knives until I was broke," or "the best way to make a million dollars making knives is to start with two million."
 
This subject offers important insight to the world of Knifemakers and I have gained a lot of understanding of other makers and the collectors that help support their work. These different levels are what I went through and have no bearing on how good a maker’s work is or one level being any better than another. This is just what I went through.

Since I started making knives in 1975 I have gone through 4 basic levels. Each was an important step getting me to where I am now.

1st – Hobby knifemaker. I was at this level for about 10 years. I had a full time job that paid all the bills and offered a little extra to put into my hobby. At this level I made knives as gifts, blanket prizes and would sell a few. Success or failure was based on whether I was having fun or not. There was little pressure to build a name or style and I could do about what I wanted to in regard to pushing further. I learned a lot about making knives and a little about being in business. This was a comfortable level of knifemaking and I suspect a lot of makers are here and satisfied to stay.

2nd – Part Time Maker. I was at this level for about 3 to 4 years. At this level I begin thinking about working toward making this a career. I studied improving my methods and invested all the money I made with knives into equipment and materials. I still had a full time job that paid the bills and expenses such as electricity, automobiles and insurance. I started keeping customer records and started a bookkeeping system for tracking expenditures and for taxes. I produced a brochure and started going to Craft Shows, Knife and Gun Shows as well as Black Powder gatherings. During this time I also started building a recognizable style. This was a very comfortable level to be at with little pressure.

I suspect a lot of makers are at this level and are very happy to stay here. A good maker can build a good name at this level and stay as busy as they want to with a little promotional effort as long as the work being produced is good and priced competitively.

3rd – Full Time Maker with Additional Income. I was at this level for about 2 years. This is where I was a full time maker with a spouse that had a full time job. I paid all of my knife expenses and part of the household bills. My insurance was carried by my wife’s company insurance policy. At this level I begin to feel real pressure to build my name and business. I started advertising in Knife and Black Powder publications. I had articles written and sent them to the same publications. I added Knife Shows to my travels. I still re-invested all the money I could back into the business for equipment, materials and promotion. I hired an accountant to handle my tax preparation. I continued to improve my customer list and became computerized. I did mailings to my customers with catalogs and show invitations. During this period my customer base grew at a faster pace because I put more efforts in this area. My presence at Shows began to grow and I built strong relations ships with others in the business. I joined the Knifemakers Guild and the ABS.

I suspect a lot of makers are at this level too. They are making Knives full time and either have a part time job, a working spouse or a retirement income. This could also be a very comfortable level to be at for the long term. Knife sales are important but not necessarily critical to survival. A slow time can be dealt with without having to make major changes in ones lifestyle.

4th – Full Time Maker with No Additional Income. This is the level I am at now and have been since 1988. There is a lot of pressure to keep moving forward and continue building my knifemaking skills and business practices. The most important thing I did here was to add Karen to the business. She brought a lot of business skills and makes Sheaths that really put our work in a whole new league. We have to keep complete records that are an important tool for keeping the business end straight. They are vital for tax preparation and research into expenses. Knowing where your money goes is critical in knowing how to price our work. Pricing by what someone else does or what you think the market will bear is short sighted and will likely cause problems in the future. This is a difficult business to be financially successful in as a totally independent maker. There is a lot of competition and very few customers really need what we do. By having to derive your entire income from the knife business a maker is forced to get up and go to work whether you want to or not. You have to conduct business in an acceptable way so not to negatively affect your reputation. And you have to pay taxes to stay out of jail. You must put your time and money into areas that gain more than they cost. Generally you must stay aware of all aspects of your career. We invest money into new equipment that will make our work better and more efficient. We invest in new market areas traveling to non-knife shows and advertising in non-knife publications. We also look into new knife related areas and consider expansion into these areas. We have debt but it is controllable. We have life and health insurance. It is expensive but not being insured is sort of like Skydiving without a reserve chute.

I suspect very few makers are on this level. It is the most difficult to survive in. It does not make your work more sought after. It does not put you in any kind of exclusive club. But if a maker can handle the pressure it can be very rewarding mentally and somewhat rewarding financially.

Daniel
 
Thanks for that in depth insight. I am at the first level and will probably be there for many years. My hats off to the full timers living the dream.
 
I am a full time bladesmith and have been for the past 5 years. I struggled a lot to bring in decent income for the first 2 years. My wife fortunately has a well paying job but my income had to take care of a few of the bills. It has been a hard road and was almost forced back into the real world to get a job a few times. I am grateful that I stuck to it though because my skill has increased to a point where I can achieve guild status (in SA) and also increase my earnings by being able to attend yet another show in the year.

It is a hard and frustrating road but the rewards are far more valuable than wealthy living. Like Ed said, I live from hand to mouth most months but I have security for my home and family because I work from there. You can't buy piece of mind like that. I am grateful that I have endured. To get a job now would undo all the hard work I have achieved.

I supplement my income by making custom sheaths, selling exotic African hard woods, steel and anything I can get my hands on. I also offer courses and sell a knife forging DVD that a grateful customer helped me to produce. Find what other makers want, don't rip them off and sell as much as you can.
 
My hats off to people who can turn a hobby or passion into a business and sustain it.

I tried once with another hobby (cars) and it's a tough road for sure.
 
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