Knifetests.com Project 1 Destruction Test.

sirahren said:
Has CRK ever told Noss what they thought the problem might be?
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The way things work these days, CRK's lawyers may be telling NOSS what his problems *WILL BE* if he doen't take the videos off his website.
Adding insult to injury, the previous knife is a $10 bowie that endured a beating from hell.
 
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"The Assyrians conquered and ruled with bronze weapons and tools"

It looks like iron weapons were just one of the key points to Assyrian war success, but it just reinforces rather than contradicts your point.

Kind regards.
 
Later on, not at first. :)

Edit to add: And let me just say that bronze is a great material--I have nothing against it. Many of my best guards are made of bronze...
 
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highanddry said:
"The Assyrians conquered and ruled with bronze weapons and tools"

It looks like iron weapons were just one of the key points to Assyrian war success, but it just reinforces rather than contradicts your point.

Kind regards.
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Lets not forget the legend of Nossius of Mesopotamia who attempted to settle arguments amongst the bladesmiths by smiting blades on an anvil with a 3 medimno hammer while wearing the mask of Kubaba.
 
Googgle helped me on this:

"Iron was prized very highly even toward the end of the 2nd millenium BC. The Old Assyrian letters that discuss the tin trade between Assur and Kültepe also refer to two metals called amutum and assi'um. Amutum is generally identified as iron. It could be bought, though its price was 40 times that of silver, and 400 times more expensive than tin. Head office in Assur continually urged the branches in Kültepe to look out for reasonably-priced amutum.
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"Mesopotamia seems to have been about 100 years behind the Greeks in the full deployment of the Iron Age, but the change was rapid when it came. In Mesopotamia, Assyrian documents written about 800 BC use phrases such as putting enemies "to the iron dagger," implying that their armies were equipped with iron weapons. By 720 BC, Sargon II of Assyria was using iron lavishly, and nearly 150 tons of unworked iron bars were found in his palace, presumably as some sort of strategic reserve. There is good indirect evidence that the Assyrians did not smelt their iron themselves, but imported it (perhaps from Anatolia) as ready-made bars for their smiths to work into weapons or tools."

http://www.geology.ucdavis.edu/~cowen/~GEL115/115CH5.html


Smelting apparently was not Assyria's 'Forte'. Nevertheless, it seems they knew iron weapons superior qualities long before the great conquests of the neo-assyrian empire.
 
I guess I have a simplistic view.
I never intent to crash my car into a wall, but I'm glad someone test to see what would happen if the impact came about.

I don't see any harm in a person taking their own goods and running them through a test. It does not matter of the test are scientific to me, just that they are consistent and somewhat pertinent to the item being tested.

I find them interesting to watch.
Not interested in such a test? Don't watch. Seems simple.
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
That's called understanding what a knife is actually for, and not misusing it.
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I thought this thread was about CRK combat\survival knives. We seem to be at an impasse with the "intended use" objection to Noss' methods. Oh well, it would seem that a $400 hard use knife should be stronger than a potmetal kitchen knife from HSN. But then, I guess a military knife is only for opening an MRE while things are slow. I think the testing proves the GB and Project I have that covered.
 
mark2600 said:
I thought this thread was about CRK combat\survival knives. We seem to be at an impasse with the "intended use" objection to Noss' methods.
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Actually just a minor part of them. All the overzealous Noss4 fans, please understand what i am saying, and others stop changing my words in quotes, that's sorta childish.

I think the majority of Noss4's test are fine and we can learn a great deal from them. The only ones I really question are the ones beating a 3lb sledgehammer on the back of any blade, especially into concrete. If a blade breaks doing that, we are not really learning anything about how a knife performs under normal knife use.
 
On closer inspection it turns out my eyes deceived me. Noss did land the hammer in the usual spot on the blow that broke the knife. If you want a closer look the stills he posted on his forum are pretty clear.
 
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Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
Actually just a minor part of them. All the overzealous Noss4 fans, please understand what i am saying, and others stop changing my words in quotes, that's sorta childish.

I think the majority of Noss4's test are fine and we can learn a great deal from them. The only ones I really question are the ones beating a 3lb sledgehammer on the back of any blade, especially into concrete. If a blade breaks doing that, we are not really learning anything about how a knife performs under normal knife use.
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I am not an overzealous Noss4 fan or changing quotes or being childish, you doodoo poopoo head!
Oh...:(
 
mark2600 said:
I am not an overzealous Noss4 fan or changing quotes or being childish, you doodoo poopoo head!
Oh...:(
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Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
If a blade breaks doing that, we are not really learning anything about how a knife performs under normal knife use.
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I guess that's why they are called destruction tests and not normal knife use tests. Noss breaks every knife he tests, that's the purpose of the test. getting pissed that a knife broke when the user was trying to break it is rather pointless. I cannot fathom the criticisms, noss can do what he wants with his knives.
 
robicon said:
Even "disinterested third party/independent testers" hired by knifemakers couldn't be trusted. I work with (and do a bit myself) consulting firms, a majority will print up on pretty paper pretty much anything you need them to.

I see the same thing in archery, firearms, etc... I've never read a magazine article that didn't need to sell adspace. As a result, most reviews are nothing more than adcopy "cut and pasted" in a poorly written article.

As long as Noss confines his destruction tests to hard-use/survival type knives...I don't see the problem.
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This is exactly the point, you should have just hammered it home more (no pun intended). :D

Noss does for us what we cannot trust magazines or manufacturers to do. He offers a relatively unbiased appraisal of ONE very specific trait of a knife. He is up front about it and he has no agenda. He doesn't sell ad space or play golf with knifemakers. I wish this would inspire people to do more independent testing (even if it doesn't end in a knife in 2 pieces), so we wouldn't have to wade through all the BS manufacturers tell us when they're trying to sell something. Thanks Noss. But also thanks to those guys donating knives for this testing, I know I can't afford it.

Also, please stop saying "these tests are not scientific". :yawn:
No one EVER claimed they were, no one believes they are, it is completely irrelevant to the post.
 
And I had thought that the Assyrians gained their knowledge of smelting iron BECAUSE of their conquesting--gleaning the knowledge from their conquered foes much as the Romans built upon the knowledge of the empire by expanding the empire.

I am ashamed
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and will now commit Sudoku.

...actually, I'll go with Seppuku---I can't face the pain of Sudoku.
 
holeymoley said:
Also, please stop saying "these tests are not scientific". :yawn:
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Does anybody even know what it means?

I have a feeling if Noss broke knives with easily quantifiable, verifiable, and repeatable tests, offended parties would still get their feelings hurt by the results. Lets face it. Folks get really upset when their myths get shattered. And that's exactly what lots of knife nuts have invested in the hobby.
 
hardheart said:
getting pissed that a knife broke when the user was trying to break it is rather pointless. I cannot fathom the criticisms, noss can do what he wants with his knives.
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I'm not sure what your point is, if that's intended for me, have I said I was pissed over these tests?

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