Knives Annuals

I'd only like to add that if you don't see a maker in the directory the only person who's fault that is is the maker. It's the job of the maker to get his name in the directory or to update his contact info when it changes. It's not Joe's job to search down every new maker on the scene or check every address before printing. That would be like trying to stack sand.

As far as all the other stuff you are all talking about I will leave that to someone else to comment on. I will take a bipartisan stance here.
 
I understand that it is up to the makers to get their info to Joe, but why would photos of a makers work be included in the book without the accompanying info being in the directory? That is really frustrating.
 
Although it bothers me not as much I'm mostly in STeven's corner on this one. It doesn't take more time to write a decent text than a lame one. Why then stick with the latter.

Marcel
 
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Although it bothers me not as much I'm mostly in STeven's corner on this one. It doesn't cost more time to write a decent text than a lame one. Why then stick with the latter.

Marcel

Marcel, believe me, it takes much (MUCH!!) more time to write a good caption.
So many things to check and re-check too....

All the best,
David Darom (ddd)
 
The articles before Joe were some of the best I ever read. I loved the one "A New Country Boy Looks at Knives ...AWESOME and even better was the one about W. Scagle. Man that's what I miss...long good articles!!!!
 
Hey STeven,

I am glad you spoke up and have your views. Yours (and yitz's) points are abundantly clear and almost well-presented. They need to be heard.

And so that's what I did. I got on the computer and shot Joe a note pointing to this thread: "You need to read this...." He sent me a note back just saying that he had.

Now, it wouldn't be fair to ONLY have a negative campaign. And so, that's where I come in. I can look at any knife and find beauty AND flaws. We must first acknowledge the beauty before discussing the flaws. Most will agree.

Because of my position, I am best served to not ruffle feathers. I am happy to see others fill this need. Thank you. :eek:

Keith: There may very well be some isolated makers who's work isn't listed. That responsibility is part and parcel of the photographer to include ALL the contact info on his submissions. Let me assure you about the amount of time this takes me to provide them with this. Josh is right. It's up to makers to be proactive.

Carry on....

Coop
 
STeven and some of you other experts should write an article and send it to Joe for the next book. Maybe he will use it. Until then I guess I will enjoy the photos.
 
STeven and some of you other experts should write an article and send it to Joe for the next book. Maybe he will use it. Until then I guess I will enjoy the photos.

I started to write a book a few years ago, and gave Krause first shot at it....was "shot" down.:D:mad::D

I have an article coming out in another book in a bit more than a year....ask bladenbarrel(Anthony Lombardo) when the last article he wrote came out.:eek:

Who are YOU, Omni44Anonymous?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
To those that don't like the articles - what is it you don't like - the subject matter or the way they are written? If the latter, what is it about the way they are writen? If the former, how about suggestions as to articles you might like to see in a future issue?

As for the captions - I agree they can come across a bit goofy, but I suspect it is quite a bit harder to pull off than it looks. Don't think so? Select 3 random pages from the book and write captions for all the knives. Just 3 pages now.

Roger
 
Gawd, I feel old when I think that I can remember something that STeven doesn't and yet I'm not so sure..:eek: Wasn't the Knives annual in color back in the early to mid 90's? I seem to recall not buying one for a while and then being dissapointed that it had gone to black and white. I may be wrong. There are some things that I dont like about the book. They are overwhelemed with fine pictures of really nice knives every year and yet I have seen several intances where they publish a pic of a knife that had also been in the previous book. Likewise, I am delighted that Nick got two of his JS pieces published this year. Well deserved, but those knives aren't exactly new. They should have been in the previous issue. I have also noticed that some of the sections have been made smaller at times, like sheaths. They no longer publish the entire membership of the ABS and I miss the thumbnail pics of makers work that Ken Warner used to put on the pages of the maker directory. The text has ALWAYS been rather cheesy IMO, so we are talking about degree. With that said, I think that going to (or back to) 4 color throughout the book makes up for a number of little quirks. Another factor that has iimproved the book has nothing to do with Krause and Mr. K. The KNIVES are, to a great extent, so much better looking than they were even as late as the '97 issue.
 
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I started to write a book a few years ago, and gave Krause first shot at it....was "shot" down.:D:mad::D

I have an article coming out in another book in a bit more than a year....ask bladenbarrel(Anthony Lombardo) when the last article he wrote came out.:eek:


STeve, did you call Joe an asshole in the book ? ;) Looking forward to the article in the DDD publication later.
 
I'm in STeven's camp on this one.

When John Amber was editor for the Gun Digest that publication was first class in every way. Amber collected custom guns of all sorts, hunted internationally, and was connected to every icon/guru in the gun world it seems. He used to say he was half Irish and half SOB, a virtuous temperament in meeting his burning ambition to put together a compelling product that would honor his high standard of excellence mandated by passion, knowledge, and people and editorial skills. His stable of contributing writers covered diverse material but all were authorities that commanded respect/attention. My interests were quite narrow, but I would eventually read it cover to cover by dint of its excellence. Amber gave his contributors license to delve deeply if not eloquently into their areas of expertise. The result was that many articles were classics that could not be found elsewhere, which was rather priceless before the internet came along. Ironically, I sold my gun collection long ago, but I still have all my Gun Digests (1966-92) and still visit cherished articles that moved me then and now.

When Ken Warner took over things went downhill fast. Passion and content were early casualties. Color photos replaced some of the black and white, but what good is the right photo of the wrong subject? The Knives Annuals are huge disappointments to me. I typically glean everything of interest in an hour or 2. Of the 2 Annuals I've examined closely, I've not seen one article that interested me. I'm stunned by the paucity of expert, authoritative writers and subject matter, dull or lively. Just a random, automaton parade of pictures which may catch the eye without informing the mind or touching the soul. Yes, there is the yellow pages section, ... somewhat useful perhaps (given that much of the data are dated and internet searches and forum queries can provide the same or better info), but hardly inspiring. I will not purchase the latest Annual, unless perusing a copy convinces me otherwise.

I want infectious content that has me refusing to put it down way past my bedtime and returning to it repeatedly until the next editon is on the stands. While it would cover different ground than David Darom's books, it should be every bit as engaging. In fact, I think brilliant Knives Annuals could be a primary vehicle in igniting the custom knife industry by capturing new recruits on fire to follow the paths of a Don Hanson, Jim Cooper, Murray White, Chuck Bybee, Paul Long, A.G. Russell and many others with enthralling stories brought to light and personalized by superior writing and unforgettable images.

Silly captions are not the problem, rather it's the dearth of content. The personalities and the stories of master makers, new makers, precocious makers, deceased makers, Neanderthal makers, international makers, dealers, collectors, writers, sheath makers, photographers, suppliers, etc. are all MIA. Where are the how-to tutorials?... make a knife, sharpen a knife, choose the best steel for the job, build a shop, make damascus, heat treat, build an integral, photograph a knife, care for a knife, restore a knife, formulate a successful collecting strategy, run a business, produce a flashy hamon, build a take-down etc. Where are the coverages of the major shows, hammer ins, and cutting competitions? What about troublesome issues like encroaching knife laws and environmental concerns over natural materials used in handles? Why are there no penetrating stories about knife trends, economic impact analyses, informative/enjoyable polling questions/answers, industry status, and looks ahead? Where are the book and new products reviews? Where are the comprehensive descriptions of the myriad of handle materials, their sources, and future availabilities?

You get the picture ... interesting/vibrant subject matter is virtually unlimited and needs constant updating. Pictures without stories are as bad as stories without pictures. The Annuals are so banal/incomplete the CKCA should seriously consider filling the void. There is sufficient talent here on BF to do the writing and the photography, though I'm not sure about the publishing end of it.

Wasting/ignoring the power of the press might be the ultimate sin in trivializing every facet of the custom knife industry, which has, ironically, secretly slipped into its golden age. To borrow Coop's business slogan--producing/buying a Knives Annual does not cost, it pays--could not be more germane or needful.

ken
 
I'm in STeven's camp on this one.

When John Amber was editor for the Gun Digest that publication was first class in every way. Amber collected custom guns of all sorts, hunted internationally, and was connected to every icon/guru in the gun world it seems. He used to say he was half Irish and half SOB, a virtuous temperament in meeting his burning ambition to put together a compelling product that would honor his high standard of excellence mandated by passion, knowledge, and people and editorial skills. His stable of contributing writers covered diverse material but all were authorities that commanded respect/attention. My interests were quite narrow, but I would eventually read it cover to cover by dint of its excellence. Amber gave his contributors license to delve deeply if not eloquently into their areas of expertise. The result was that many articles were classics that could not be found elsewhere, which was rather priceless before the internet came along. Ironically, I sold my gun collection long ago, but I still have all my Gun Digests (1966-92) and still visit cherished articles that moved me then and now.

When Ken Warner took over things went downhill fast. Passion and content were early casualties. Color photos replaced some of the black and white, but what good is the right photo of the wrong subject? The Knives Annuals are huge disappointments to me. I typically glean everything of interest in an hour or 2. Of the 2 Annuals I've examined closely, I've not seen one article that interested me. I'm stunned by the paucity of expert, authoritative writers and subject matter, dull or lively. Just a random, automaton parade of pictures which may catch the eye without informing the mind or touching the soul. Yes, there is the yellow pages section, ... somewhat useful perhaps (given that much of the data are dated and internet searches and forum queries can provide the same or better info), but hardly inspiring. I will not purchase the latest Annual, unless perusing a copy convinces me otherwise.

I want infectious content that has me refusing to put it down way past my bedtime and returning to it repeatedly until the next editon is on the stands. While it would cover different ground than David Darom's books, it should be every bit as engaging. In fact, I think brilliant Knives Annuals could be a primary vehicle in igniting the custom knife industry by capturing new recruits on fire to follow the paths of a Don Hanson, Jim Cooper, Murray White, Chuck Bybee, Paul Long, A.G. Russell and many others with enthralling stories brought to light and personalized by superior writing and unforgettable images.

Silly captions are not the problem, rather it's the dearth of content. The personalities and the stories of master makers, new makers, precocious makers, deceased makers, Neanderthal makers, international makers, dealers, collectors, writers, sheath makers, photographers, suppliers, etc. are all MIA. Where are the how-to tutorials?... make a knife, sharpen a knife, choose the best steel for the job, build a shop, make damascus, heat treat, build an integral, photograph a knife, care for a knife, restore a knife, formulate a successful collecting strategy, run a business, produce a flashy hamon, build a take-down etc. Where are the coverages of the major shows, hammer ins, and cutting competitions? What about troublesome issues like encroaching knife laws and environmental concerns over natural materials used in handles? Why are there no penetrating stories about knife trends, economic impact analyses, informative/enjoyable polling questions/answers, industry status, and looks ahead? Where are the book and new products reviews? Where are the comprehensive descriptions of the myriad of handle materials, their sources, and future availabilities?

You get the picture ... interesting/vibrant subject matter is virtually unlimited and needs constant updating. Pictures without stories are as bad as stories without pictures. The Annuals are so banal/incomplete the CKCA should seriously consider filling the void. There is sufficient talent here on BF to do the writing and the photography, though I'm not sure about the publishing end of it.

Wasting/ignoring the power of the press might be the ultimate sin in trivializing every facet of the custom knife industry, which has, ironically, secretly slipped into its golden age. To borrow Coop's business slogan--producing/buying a Knives Annual does not cost, it pays--could not be more germane or needful.

ken

So out of the two Knives annuals you have examined which ones are they?
 
Along with the poor quality of the articles in the front of the recent annuals, I've been amazed at how many relatively well known knifemakers are not listed in the directory section. I know part of this is probably the fault of the makers for failing to send in their contact info but I also have a feeling the people at Krause aren't pushing very hard to keep that section up to date. As with Gun Digest, it appears they are just riding the past excellence of these books by putting as little time and money into them as possible. The back of Knives 2009 states Joe Kertzman is an "avid knife enthusiast." Any one here ever sell him a knife?
 
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First, I deeply regret defaming Ken and Joe for their long, enduring contributions to which I can claimed nothing. I posted before full vetting. I'm sure they are roaring with frustrations and challenges that few us have considered or would not mangle in balancing a quality product with black ink. It would be an epiphany to hear their side of the story I'm sure, and I hope they come on and share. And some of their wit is top rung, and if you look carefully you might see my plagiarizing fingerprints.

Anthony,

I own Knives 2000 (KW) and Knives 2006 (JK) that were highly discounted at Amazon so that I might evaluate them. After my experience with Gun Digest I was not gungho to invest in Knife Annuals blindly. Subsequently, I've flipped pages of a couple more post-2000 annuals before putting them back and walking away. I use the yellow pages once in a while, but mostly they languish in the book case. Frankly, at this point I would rather hang out on BF for information and inspiration.

ken
 
The ONLY fair critique of the current Annuals is the sappy comments.

Totally incorrect. You are missing (or are ignoring) the larger points in favor of a single improvement.

-What about the tendency to feature the same few Makers in many different areas? What I see are ALOT of submitals of the popular Makers, they pay for loads of pics to be taken and submitted, thus when they do appear many times (with more press/Credit each time given to the Photog also) this seems very biased.
-What about frequent mislabeled pictures?
-What about featuring a Makers pic and then not including his Contact info?
-What about using the same pics from one year to the next?
-What about out of date Contact info? - Granted Joe can't police this on his own but since it is his publication he should devise a plan to validate all contact info say every two years?


RogerP said:
To those that don't like the articles - what is it you don't like

The latest Articles IMO are written as "sell more knives" type offerings - rather than knife related education.

I think suggesting Article subject matter is a great idea. Also, a couple of new categories might be in order. Perhaps categories such as "Most Promising New Makers" who have been making less than 2 years OR "Great Pioneers" featuring Makers who have been Making more than 20 years...
 
Gawd, I feel old when I think that I can remember something that STeven doesn't and yet I'm not so sure..:eek: Wasn't the Knives annual in color back in the early to mid 90's? I seem to recall not buying one for a while and then being dissapointed that it had gone to black and white. I may be wrong. There are some things that I dont like about the book. They are overwhelemed with fine pictures of really nice knives every year and yet I have seen several intances where they publish a pic of a knife that had also been in the previous book. Likewise, I am delighted that Nick got two of his JS pieces published this year. Well deserved, but those knives aren't exactly new. They should have been in the previous issue......

A quick review of my bookshelf shows the first appearance of color in 2004...a small section...I went back to the early '90's.....what are you smoking, Joe?

Roger, I'll go back to Knives 2008 for some inspiration.

First article-Knifemakers of the La Hu Si-lot of interest in the general community for that one....Knives Annuals are not National Geographic...suggested substitution, how about ANY American maker doing a shop tour, and having a newbie maker or experienced collector make a knife under their guidance?

Next article-Archaic, Bizarre and Common Knife Superstitions....suggested substitution-How to safely handle and sharpen knives in everyday situations, guided by Wayne Goddard, or Murray Carter.

The next one was really good, Dissecting the Handmade Knife with Allen Elishewitz...great article.

Next up, Practicing Steel Manipulation...with pretty pictures of completed steel....if ever there was a subject crying out for a step-by-step of making damascus, this would have been it....big missed opportunity...

The Knives Annuals don't have to be esoterically wide ranging to appeal to the masses and the knifeknuts...maybe it is better to reach and fail, than to be staid and steadfast, I don't know.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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STeven,

Points well-taken, AND presented fairly. The remarks about duplication may very well be makers who excel in both areas and photos that were made available and clear. Only Joe could answer these pointed queries.

That said, I shot another email to him yesterday which states he would be out of the office until Nov 3rd. I asked him to respond somehow. Don't dismiss this conversation.

One thing is certain, it's SO easy to be a sidelines editor. None of us are fully aware of the challenges needed (Except perhaps DDD, who also alluded how difficult it is to write good captions--time and time again.)

Points made to Roger: 'Sell more knives' articles in KA2009? I truly don't see this. Now you are stretching. I found seven of the ten articles very worthy and informative for me. Only two articles showing the relationship of custom makers collaborating/helping the factories (on hunters and tacticals) could be construed as selling. (Yeah and good for them!) I still thought it relevant.

Coop
 
A quick review of my bookshelf shows the first appearance of color in 2004...a small section...I went back to the early '90's.....what are you smoking, Joe?

Roger, I'll go back to Knives 2008 for some inspiration.

First article-Knifemakers of the La Hu Si-lot of interest in the general community for that one....Knives Annuals are not National Geographic...suggested substitution, how about ANY American maker doing a shop tour, and having a newbie maker or experienced collector make a knife under their guidance?

Next article-Archaic, Bizarre and Common Knife Superstitions....suggested substitution-How to safely handle and sharpen knives in everyday situations, guided by Wayne Goddard, or Murray Carter.

The next one was really good, Dissecting the Handmade Knife with Allen Elishewitz...great article.

Next up, Practicing Steel Manipulation...with pretty pictures of completed steel....if ever there was a subject crying out for a step-by-step of making damascus, this would have been it....big missed opportunity...

The Knives Annuals don't have to be esoterically wide ranging to appeal to the masses and the knifeknuts...maybe it is better to reach and fail, than to be staid and steadfast, I don't know.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Kamel Red Lights, STeven:D My bad. The memory is the first thing to go. That explains the current hesitancy to increase the size of the book, I guess. Color costs money because you have to use four times as many plates for 4 color as you do for B & W. Was I correct about the thumbnails in the makers section?
 
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