Knives in Iraq

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Howdy all,
This is my first post here but have enjoyed the site for some time. I'm back from Iraq (Army, 1ID) and thought I'd share my knife selection/experience "down range." I brought some good knives with me and was issued some more. I'm not permitted to post pictures yet so I'll just have to list them;

My private stash:

1. A German WWII (Wehrmacht) combat knife by Tiger in Solingen, Germany. Highcarbon blade almost 6 inches long with full tang, wood grip, and metal sheath with clip. Great knife I bought in Germany. Lots of comments and always a topic of conversation. The edge held well and performed well. Performed all my general purpose needs and was a good source of comfort for a last-ditch level of protection.

2. Original Swiss Army knife by Elsener built in 1954 and made of surgical steel. Holy Crap sharp and given to me by a good friend in the Swiss Army. Always in my pocket and another topic of conversation. It is a fantastic knife and performed it's funtion without flaw (well, they don't make cans in the style the can opener is designed for anymore but it still opens beer bottles here in Germany). It was also nice to cary a knife given to me by a friend while in harms way, sort of a comfort item.

3. Leatherman Super Tool. Gotta have one! Always came in handy during the oddest jobs. Multi-tools are worth their weight in gold.

Issued: (Uncle Sam came thru!)

1. Camillus CQB1 60/40 blade in 154CM. Awesome knife! I saw soldiers abusing them and they just kept performing. This knife came SHARP and had an awesome sheath from Blade-Tech. I could wear this knife on my gear or on my person while on or off base. The only down side for me was it's size. We already carried a lot of weight while outside the wire and a big knife was sometimes left behind at base during the extreme of summer. All in all, this knife was a winner.

2. Benchmade (9100?) switchblade in 154CM and black. Cool knife. It became my daily carry. The switchblade was fun and cool but I could have done with a regular thumbhole opener instead of the spring opening. I didn't abuse this knife or try and test the lock.

Well, that's what I had and they all did well.

I saw a lot of different knives down range. Multi-tools were very popular with everyone (Gerbers, Leathermans, and Victorinox mainly). Did see a few Randalls; They were all #1s. The owners were happy to have a good knife with a great history but there were some problems from my point of view. The desert was soo hot and dry that the leather handle shrank and became loose. The shinny brass hilt was also not so cool. I saw folks cover them up with some 100mph tape. Also, for the most part soldiers didn't know much about knives or how to sharpen them, they just used them to death or damage. Those knives that made it are truly "Joe-proof" and made to last.

Thank for the great forum and I hope you like the info.

Barker45
 
Welcome to Bladeforums! :D

I really appreciate what you guys are doing for us over there. -- besides testing knives :) Actually, here you are answering one of the regular questions we get, like "What do you really use in a war zone?" It's great that you personally had such a variety of knives.

I have a couple of questions:

Was that WW II German knife a kind of Ka-Bar equivalent?

How did multitools hold up? Were there any common problems with tools breaking or jamming on any of them?
 
Are you headed back or are you here to stay? Thanks again for your service. I hope you never get tired of hearing that.

Cerberus :cool:
 
I cann't help but wonder, did you notice what kind of knives the locals over there used?
 
I'm pleased to read that the Camillus (CUDA) CQB-1 is one of the knives seen over there in the "big sandbox", as next to the Cold Steel 6" Tanto, the CQB-1 is one of my favorite "combat/fighting" knives.
 
Thank you for your service, you make our country strong. And an excellent review of real world experience with knives, thanks again, we need more people with your experience here.
 
That is really cool that the US issue the the Camillus CQB1. I have the carbon steel version, and it is a great knife. I may have to pick up the stainless version now.
 
Q. I have a couple of questions:

Was that WW II German knife a kind of Ka-Bar equivalent?

How did multitools hold up? Were there any common problems with tools breaking or jamming on any of them?


A.

#1. The German WWII knife is a little smaller than a Ka-Bar. The blade was thick enough for hard use but the profile was thinner and it had a droppoint that made the knife almost dagger-shaped. It would be gvery good for thrusting. The knife turned heads! Becasue of the wooden handles some soldiers asked if I was carrying a kitchen knife. Once I pulled it out and showed them they all thought it was cool. I really liked carrying this old warhorse. Since being stationed in Germany I have built a nice collection of old German kinves that I find in flea markerts. I love the old knives best! The quality and function of these oldtimers can't be beat and some of my favorite knives were bought for as little as 1 euro! Some folks just don't know how to apprecaite the oldies-but-goodies and just want to newest shinny gadgets. Speaking of Ka-Bars, they were also very popular with the troops and served very well (hard to beat for the $ too).

#2. There were few problems with the multi-tools. Even in the Sand they worked well. Most folks carried their multi in their pocket or on a sheath. My personal opinion is that the gerbers didn't last as long as the leathermans and I prefer the leatherman over the Visctorinox multi. As long as a soldier was not exceeding the limits of their multi it performed great.

Sombody also asked what the locals carried;

I stopped a few trucks and found AK bayonets (crap) and let them keep it. It wasn't an RPG and I can understand a man wanting some kind of protection durring crazy times. I didn't see any folders, mainly fixed blades of poor quality with lots of gaudy decorations. They were in the traditional curved (Arabic) style. These people were very poor and just made do with whatever thay had. The local men liked to look at our knives and some even asked for them but I wasn't in a position to give mine away. All in all, I met some great local people.

I also carried an old Swiss Army rucksack (leather and canvas) to carry my extra food, water, knives, binos, and chew. It was very rugged and cheap!
If I was to deploy again I would add my Opinel#8 (customised by me to fit my hand) and a couple of cool Moras I just picked up from Ragweeedforge. I wouldn't forget my diamond sharpenerd from DMT (easy to carry and does the job). Just my .02 cents!
 
I almost forgot; I never wanted a G.I. issue baoyonet. What the heck for? You had to sign for them, they were too damn big and heavy, questionalbe blade quality, and I sure as hell wasn't planning on a bayonet charge! I carried a very clean M16A2 and a M9 with well maintained magazines (A MUST). I never felt under-gunned but would have prefered something in .308 or .45 ACP.
 
Barker 45 - Those are some great posts. You gave real sound evaluations of the knives you, and others, used over there - Good info on Local's knives too. Very interesting.

I too value your service in Iraq - Sure glad you made it back - And, if you "deploy" again, please take care of yourself ans stay safe..
 
I really cant thank you enough for your service to this great land of ours.Glad you made it back safe and sound.Good Luck with your future.You are now and always will be in my eyes,-- A HERO !! Oh BTW Great Post !
 
Barker45 said:
I never wanted a G.I. issue baoyonet. What the heck for? You had to sign for them, they were too damn big and heavy, questionalbe blade quality, and I sure as hell wasn't planning on a bayonet charge!
Were the issued bayonets the new Camillus or Ontario versions? It seems funny that they would give out a great knife like the CQB, then make you sign for a bayonet.
 
Barker45:
I want thank you for all the great information, and for your service to our Country. And I'm glad to hear our tax money is buying some good blades for you guys. I'm surprized to hear the bayonets suck. I thought they had improved them?
 
Q. Were the issued bayonets the new Camillus or Ontario versions?

A. I'm not sure, they were the newer bayonets, plastic sheath with sharpening stone on the backside. These things were big and ugly. In my opinion they suck! Bayonets look cool on parade but there are beter knives for field use.



1. It seems funny that they would give out a great knife like the CQB, then make you sign for a bayonet.

A. Welcome to our world! Few if anything makes sence in the Army. The knives were ordered thru or motorpool/supply system and were cosidered consumable items. The bayonets were on the Commander's propertybook, therefore controled.
 
It's cool how the locals there seem to really appreciate a good knife, unlike people in our countries who get scared when you use one.

Good post Barker45, the camillus cqb has always looked like a nice knife to me, I might have to look into it a bit more (price was good last time I saw!)
 
Barker45:
If you please (and when and if Uncle Sugar allows) post some pictures of that
Wehrmaht Combat Knife and that 1954 Swiss Army. Being an 11B and having been to Iraq your insights are most welcome.
 
I have some pics but am having problems posting them. Any help would be appreciated.

 
Someone can help?
I really would like to see that WW II knife too, because I have a "Tigerwerke" Trench knife.
 
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