Knives-Made in China

China's been extremely wise, following the more laissez faire model of Hong Kong. In many ways, these communist Asian countries like China and Vietnam are more capitalist than the US.
 
I must say produce a knife or assemble the knife has to coming from heart!
That makes world of difference.

Imagine u were chinese worker. Got pay 10 dollar a day to assemble knives in a factory. U work like a dog, not because u love to assemble knife that might be a potential qaulity product. U do it because u hv to....because poor living, kids to feed. U wake up early in the morning, that u hate so much, but there is no other option for living. when u assemble knives u think those are stupid stuff, that u rather not do it. So what do u do? U do shit job to past time then u can go home.

It is just like parents force u to go school! u hate the system, hate the school. u do it cuz u hv to, to society system tells you to, u r in school to past time not for learning. So, what do u do? u careless about grade, did a mess, making trouble. Some times just do something silly that you think would be funny if one finds out. Just want to get f**k out of school.

Psychologicaly, it is not hard to figuer that why the quality isn't always up to standard.

As American production. Seriously, u don't love knife, u won't work in knife industry. Worker actually hv a choice! There is a lot more work opportunity, options able to choose what one love to do. Look at those quality knife company. Its hard to ignore their passion, their love to knife they are creating. The attitude is totally different, then the result is different.

American knife industry is greatful with passionate ppl on top, but all American work with the same spirit! Look at most ppl work in DMV, postal office, look at ppl in supermarket near you. When u look at their face, you can tell they hate their job and they did sh*t job while they are doing them.

Adults hv those neg. attitude towards a job they hate, can you imagine Chinese actually use kids from poor family to work in factory? They are kids, they know nothing, your bad product might be their silly jokes pass through quality control when they got bored.

Its easy for us to say, yeah, if they hate the job, why don't they quit and find another. But our life isn't as crappy as theirs.

Maybe next time you open a foreign product that is so bad, instead of angry at foreign production sucks, you should give a smile and prey for them. Prey them for a better life, pity them as human being instead of chinese, thai, whatever. Hope for their best, wish them luck.

Perhaps they are sending a message seeking for help, but can you hear them?
 
The attitude that everything madein China is crapand everything made in the US is better dosen't really stack up in reality.

Sure stuff made in the US is usually more expensive than China and on the whole is better quality since its pointless paying someone $20/h to make $1 knives when you can pay someone $20/week to make the same thing.

But its rather shortsighted and dangerous for Americans to say just because a lot of Chinese made knives sold in the US are junk and some certainly is, all stuff made in China is the same. Its not.
 
Perhaps your information is not accurate?

All of the autos in China are made in China. Mercedes, Audi, Caddies, Honda, Toyota, Chevy Ford, Buick, etc.

And who do you think are driving them? They are driven by Chinese workers.

The highways I was on rival US & European highways.

In the knife factories, (some clean, some not so clean), the workers had their cell phones on their assembly tables.

Careful selection of, and working with the knife makers will get quality if you want it and you are willing to pay for it. Check out Spyderco's byrd line. the G-10 Cara Cara and Meadowlark will surpise you, and the quality may even be a bit intimidating.

Only America, Russia and China have put a person in space.

Most of the housekeepers in the hotels speak English.

$10 per day X 8 (conversion) is $80 / day.

Minimum wage in the US is less.

Of course there are poor people in Chna. there are poor peope everywhere.

Everywhere in China one looks, there are cranes, building is everywhere. High rise apartment bldgs, modern factories, hard working people feeling success for the first time in many many years.

Of couse you should support your country and buy American. We must support our country or suffer the consequences. This is true of any country.

And I will add that there are many fine factories in America producing excellent products. Think about that when you pull out your wallet.

But as mentioned, you cannot ignore the manufacturing force that is in China.

Just my opinion.

sal
 
I've got a Byrd Cara Cara in G10, and it's a lot better quality than many other knives I've handled, including some Benchmades and other Spydercos. Not the best put together knife I've used, but definitely the best for the money.

Roger
 
moonwilson said:
Chinese manufacturers make their products exactly to the specs required by their purchasers. If the specs are for garbage, they make garbage. If the specs are for quality, they make quality. The Chinese can and do make anything, from cheap trinkets to sophisticated, high-end electronic equipment (IE, very likely, the computer you are using right now)
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I think it all comes down to quality control. If the Chinese will let the designer/entrapraneur inspect the product coming off the assembly line on an ongoing basis (perhaps in Byrds' case) then it might get made to specs. The Chinese probably get first pick of the goods they produce. They might also run for sale in china and then run for sale in the rest of the world. Judging from the products coming out of China I am very skeptical of their products. I bought a beautiful Chinese sword with a 33 inch double-edge stainless blade and wood/brass hilt. I later found out that the tang was a 1 inch stub! The chinese knives I have are relegated to the drawer/glove box. Of all the money I thought I was saving on chinese junk it is about a wash. If I can get USA quality I'll get it. That is why I buy SOG, it is the best value for the buck. I got something from China on warranty (1 year) and it was sent right away to me (they paid shipping), so if you can get a warranty like that...
 
Sal Glesser said:
Careful selection of, and working with the knife makers will get quality if you want it and you are willing to pay for it. Check out Spyderco's byrd line. the G-10 Cara Cara and Meadowlark will surpise you, and the quality may even be a bit intimidating.
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I was really surprised at the quality of materials and fit and finish of my G-10 Cara Cara. The performance of the steel also is quite good, better than my AUS 8 knives as far as wear resistance and much easier to sharpen. Next week I'm buying 3 more, 2 as presents and another for myself. There is no way that a $22 knife should perform as well as the G-10 Cara Cara, it is just an incredible value. I bought this knife expecting a beater, but instead a got a really good EDC knife. I know my personal opinion of made in China knives is a lot different than it was before I got my Byrd. I hope you keep coming up with more Byrd designs, as I always have more room for great performing lower priced knives to compliment my higher end stuff from America and Japan.
 
I've been looking for a present to repay three men who helped me in a time of need. "Buck Knife" came to mind until I tried to buy one and it said, "Made in China." I went to a top of the line web seller of fine knives and he tells that Buck knives are quality because they are made in the USA. These guys are union guys and would throw the knife at me if it were foreign made, especially if it said, "Made in China." And, they would open it first!!

I want to order 3 knives, but how do I know I won't get a "Made in China?"
 
Cpt Ordnance said:
I've been looking for a present to repay three men who helped me in a time of need. "Buck Knife" came to mind until I tried to buy one and it said, "Made in China." I went to a top of the line web seller of fine knives and he tells that Buck knives are quality because they are made in the USA. These guys are union guys and would throw the knife at me if it were foreign made, especially if it said, "Made in China." And, they would open it first!!

I want to order 3 knives, but how do I know I won't get a "Made in China?"
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Buck makes quite a few knives in the USA, the venerable 110 is made in the USA and can be bought for $30. Both my Alpha Hunter and Strider Police knife is made in the USA.
Many of the traditional patterns are imported , the guys over at the Buck forum can be more specific. But the 110 would make a great gift, I just gifted myself one last weekend....
 
the Chinese can and will make whatever is wanted.
the question is, is it wise for US companies to have their cheaper knives produces there?
 
My EDC is a Chinese Maxam lockback. I have carried it for over 12 months and it hasn't let me down. The fit and finish are great, the blade and grinds are fine. It keeps an edge and is sharp, and I use it numerous times per day. It cost less than 5 bucks! Disposable, yes, but I would hate to lose it. I have a number of expensive US knives, but I would hate to lose them more!

China is the new Hong Kong, who were the cheap copycat winners in the 60s. The only difference is that the quality is far better.
 
MY IBM T43, T60 and MacBook proMA are all made in CHINA. They are working pretty well. FEEL SO GOOD~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Being new to the forum I don't know all the rules. However, I went to a web site for Dante Knifeworks and emailed the Chinese question to them. Within minutes they had a reply. Not often have I ever received such service. Bottom line is that if you pick out a knife and have the Chinese question, they will respond with the details. And, they apparently respond quickly.

Unless I stumble across a fantastic deal somewhere, Dantes will get my business.
 
Mr. Glesser I want you to consider what I am about to say. First of all you I doubt if you would find a bigger fan of Spyderco knives than I am. And that is not about to change anytime soon. But I have purposely avoided the Byrd line that you all market for the sole reason that they are made in China. Well let me back up for a second. I really also like Spyderco's designs and quality much better than I have seen out of the Byrd line. I like the "Real McCoys".

I personally will not support any country that has an abysmal human rights record as the Chinese have. I am a weird person in that I actually do care about other people and I don't want to see anyone mis-treated, deprived, abused and living under tyranny. The Chinese routinely kill girl babies to get the quota of male babies according to several human rights organizations. They imprison thousands of people without even a fair trial. They have been know to execute people for simlply possessing a Bible. The Chinese have also been guilty many times of manufacturing goods by the use of CHILD SLAVE LABOR.

I don't hate or have any racial predjudice against the Chinese people. There are some Chinese people here in my town that run an excellent restuarant and I patronize them a lot and have made friends with them. There's a reason they left China and came over here. But the Chinese government is possibly one of the most tyrannical on the entire planet.

Bottom line; I will NOT buy products that are produced in a TYRANNICAL country that abuses it's citizenry in almost unspeakable ways. I don't doubt for one second that your Byrd knives are good quality because quality is what Spyderco is all about. But I will only patronize countries that are at least making strides toward a free society. I have 2 friends, a husband & wife who are missionairies who got into China. The stories they told me were absolutely horrible about the living conditions and government tyranny over there. For those reasons I try to make a concerted effort not to buy from them. Some products here in the USA are all from China and you literally have no choice. But when I do have a choice I go American made or at least countries that are close to our way of life. JD :)
 
JD Spydo said:
Mr. Glesser I want you to consider what I am about to say. First of all you I doubt if you would find a bigger fan of Spyderco knives than I am. And that is not about to change anytime soon. But I have purposely avoided the Byrd line that you all market for the sole reason that they are made in China. Well let me back up for a second. I really also like Spyderco's designs and quality much better than I have seen out of the Byrd line. I like the "Real McCoys".

I personally will not support any country that has an abysmal human rights record as the Chinese have. I am a weird person in that I actually do care about other people and I don't want to see anyone mis-treated, deprived, abused and living under tyranny. The Chinese routinely kill girl babies to get the quota of male babies according to several human rights organizations. They imprison thousands of people without even a fair trial. They have been know to execute people for simlply possessing a Bible. The Chinese have also been guilty many times of manufacturing goods by the use of CHILD SLAVE LABOR.

I don't hate or have any racial predjudice against the Chinese people. There are some Chinese people here in my town that run an excellent restuarant and I patronize them a lot and have made friends with them. There's a reason they left China and came over here. But the Chinese government is possibly one of the most tyrannical on the entire planet.

Bottom line; I will NOT buy products that are produced in a TYRANNICAL country that abuses it's citizenry in almost unspeakable ways. I don't doubt for one second that your Byrd knives are good quality because quality is what Spyderco is all about. But I will only patronize countries that are at least making strides toward a free society. I have 2 friends, a husband & wife who are missionairies who got into China. The stories they told me were absolutely horrible about the living conditions and government tyranny over there. For those reasons I try to make a concerted effort not to buy from them. Some products here in the USA are all from China and you literally have no choice. But when I do have a choice I go American made or at least countries that are close to our way of life. JD :)
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I agree, I love Benchmade and Spyderco knives but I won't purchase a Byrd or a Vex because they are made in China.
 
JD Spydo said:
Mr. Glesser I want you to consider what I am about to say. First of all you I doubt if you would find a bigger fan of Spyderco knives than I am. And that is not about to change anytime soon. But I have purposely avoided the Byrd line that you all market for the sole reason that they are made in China. Well let me back up for a second. I really also like Spyderco's designs and quality much better than I have seen out of the Byrd line. I like the "Real McCoys".

I personally will not support any country that has an abysmal human rights record as the Chinese have. I am a weird person in that I actually do care about other people and I don't want to see anyone mis-treated, deprived, abused and living under tyranny. The Chinese routinely kill girl babies to get the quota of male babies according to several human rights organizations. They imprison thousands of people without even a fair trial. They have been know to execute people for simlply possessing a Bible. The Chinese have also been guilty many times of manufacturing goods by the use of CHILD SLAVE LABOR.

I don't hate or have any racial predjudice against the Chinese people. There are some Chinese people here in my town that run an excellent restuarant and I patronize them a lot and have made friends with them. There's a reason they left China and came over here. But the Chinese government is possibly one of the most tyrannical on the entire planet.

Bottom line; I will NOT buy products that are produced in a TYRANNICAL country that abuses it's citizenry in almost unspeakable ways. I don't doubt for one second that your Byrd knives are good quality because quality is what Spyderco is all about. But I will only patronize countries that are at least making strides toward a free society. I have 2 friends, a husband & wife who are missionairies who got into China. The stories they told me were absolutely horrible about the living conditions and government tyranny over there. For those reasons I try to make a concerted effort not to buy from them. Some products here in the USA are all from China and you literally have no choice. But when I do have a choice I go American made or at least countries that are close to our way of life. JD :)
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JD,
Thank you for your post I am with you 100%. I do not have and I am not planning to buy any knives made in People’s Republic of China. I am avoiding buying anything made in People’s Republic of China, if I have a choice.
I believe that manufacturing companies of this country can produce and producing top quality product, when it is required. They have top of the line equipment and professionals from companies where this equipment come from trained personal.
When you have established process, quality must be there.
I do not feel that I can support communist dictatorship, which suppresses freedom of citizens. I am taking this personal, I lived 35 years of my life in communist country, and I know really well how it feels.
Lately, people in People’s Republic of China received some economical freedom, but not enough changed in their political life. You can try to criticize communist government publicly and get jail time for that. I saw this just last Sunday on Discovery channel.
I hope all of you aware that the communist government spends big part of their money for military build up. They are buying offensive weapon as well.
So, I think it would be unwise of me to help them.
 
Not really knife related, but i have a leica camera that was made in China and the quality and workmanship is excellent and it takes great pictures. I think as long as a product is made to a particular specification it makes no difference to the end product, where it was made.
 
I just bought another knife from Fox-n-Hound, my last knife from them was made in Italy and it had some great stag handles. The new one came in, it was really a nice little knife, a perfect mate to the big one. Well. there it was, "China" on the blade. Oh crap, who knew a small company from Italy would out-source.

Buck has been selling two knife sets at Wal-Mart for Christmas. One is a set of 2 red bone handle from China. The other is a 112 from the U.S.A., but if you read further it says, accesseries made in China, which I assume is the Tin and the seath.

My point is, even if you don't want to buy from China it is getting harder and harder not to. I can't seem to buy shoes that are not made in China, plus half of the stuff in the stores.
 
I've been impressed and happy with the Byrd knives since they were introduced. I recently picked up a Vex and have been astonished at what you get for less than 40 bucks.

A couple of knife addicts who refuse to buy products from China aren't going to stop the wave. China is rapidly on it's way to sole superpower status. Nothing will stop it.
 
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