Knives Not Allowed!

It's never happened to me, I make sure they're well hid while passing through any check points. Truth is I've been hiding weapons on my person, since the 6th grade. This is probably why I run a business designing concealment rigs :-D

Here's an interesting tidbit - a friend of mine worked for Orange Co. S.O. (btw I'm also LEO) we got into an argument because he says deputies from his agency have arrested permit holders for packing at Disney World. He was completely convinced they were legal in doing so.
 
Sheepy people and security dinks really frost my punkins! We were at Disney one year with my baby girl 2 1/2 years old, an old fat security dog came up to my little girl and grabbed a sparky plastic toy gun out of her hand. I mean it was tiny, plastic and metal and made some sparks when you squeezed the trigger. He was nasty, stupid and inconsiderate. He made my little girl crytoo! He had such a "tude" I almost choked the bast---! My wife calmed me down, or else I would have gone to the slammer for choking that Jack---! So much for security professionalism. If a real weapon appeared to him he probably would have soiled himself and cried! Oh, Yea!
 
No offense but you probably should have considered this as a possibility at a place like Disneyland and just conceal it fully by putting the whole thing in your pocket. I don't even clip the knife onto my pocket unless my shirt fully covers it. FYI LEO's aren't even allowed to carry their guns in Disneyland, they have to check it in at the office and put it in a locker. So I wouldn't get too butt-hurt over it, next time just think about where you are and be more tactful.
 
No offense but you probably should have considered this as a possibility at a place like Disneyland and just conceal it fully by putting the whole thing in your pocket. I don't even clip the knife onto my pocket unless my shirt fully covers it. FYI LEO's aren't even allowed to carry their guns in Disneyland, they have to check it in at the office and put it in a locker. So I wouldn't get too butt-hurt over it, next time just think about where you are and be more tactful.

I agree that one should avoid visible pocket clips in general for many reasons. Besides over-zealous security guards, you also have "McGuigans" (cops who lack proper understanding of local knife law), nervous sheeple who judge you for having a knife, and pickpockets. I used to carry a folder clipped to my back pants pocket, until one time a guy grabbed it off me from behind with the intent to use it on me (thankfully it was a model that locked closed too, so it confounded him)

As for LEO's at Disneyland, I find that very hard to believe. Disney has not be granted national extraterritoriality last time I checked. As a private organization, they have no authority whatsoever to restrict government officials.
 
I agree that one should avoid visible pocket clips in general for many reasons. Besides over-zealous security guards, you also have "McGuigans" (cops who lack proper understanding of local knife law), nervous sheeple who judge you for having a knife, and pickpockets. I used to carry a folder clipped to my back pants pocket, until one time a guy grabbed it off me from behind with the intent to use it on me (thankfully it was a model that locked closed too, so it confounded him)

As for LEO's at Disneyland, I find that very hard to believe. Disney has not be granted national extraterritoriality last time I checked. As a private organization, they have no authority whatsoever to restrict government officials.

Well believe it or not, it's true. Same goes for dodger's stadium (before the giant's fan beating), staples center, and several other theme parks.
 
Well believe it or not, it's true. Same goes for dodger's stadium (before the giant's fan beating), staples center, and several other theme parks.

My dad's old buddy who is a US Secret Service agent might beg to differ with the guards of such a place (based several federal laws, not including 18 USC 926B). Heck I would pay to see that argument go down.
 
I thought every property owner had the right to make a No Gun Policy, no?! It seems like their POLICY could apply to cops if they wanted it to. I don't see why a place has to allow cops in, unless they are acting under the color of law. In some bad areas, in FL, U'll find convenience stores with "No Cops" signs. This obviously doesn't apply to cops being dispatched there, but if you're off duty, you're asked not to come in.

Edit to add - its never bothered me. The places with these signs are not the types of places I'll miss having on my go to list :-D
 
I thought every property owner had the right to make a No Gun Policy, no?! It seems like their POLICY could apply to cops if they wanted it to. I don't see why a place has to allow cops in, unless they are acting under the color of law. In some bad areas, in FL, U'll find convenience stores with "No Cops" signs. This obviously doesn't apply to cops being dispatched there, but if you're off duty, you're asked not to come in.

Edit to add - its never bothered me. The places with these signs are not the types of places I'll miss having on my go to list :-D

Wow, I've never heard of that? :eek:

Here in Texas I can carry EVERYWHERE....except a Federal Courthouse and that would need express written permission that wouldn't be worth the hassle just to go sit in a courtroom to testify :p
 
I thought every property owner had the right to make a No Gun Policy, no?! It seems like their POLICY could apply to cops if they wanted it to. I don't see why a place has to allow cops in, unless they are acting under the color of law. In some bad areas, in FL, U'll find convenience stores with "No Cops" signs. This obviously doesn't apply to cops being dispatched there, but if you're off duty, you're asked not to come in.

Certain states (such as California) actually include occupation in their civil rights law, thus treating being a cop the same as being a certain race or religion. In such states posting such a sign or (as an example I read) telling a cop customer to leave your establishment because the other patrons are uncomfortable with the officer's presence has actually been ruled illegal discrimination.

With plain-clothes federal agents is a different story. The way it was explained to me is that they are never considered "off-duty" because they are constantly on-call, and there are actually policies and laws that mandate they must have access to their sidearm at all times with rare exceptions. A private business demanding they disarm could also be charged with obstruction, as they may be at that business for on-duty reasons (e.g. on the lookout for specific persons of interest at Disney), but those reasons are confidential.
 
Hi ouc -

Yes - I have been in that situation.

I ALWAYS have my Vic Farmer on me - ALWAYS.

Once, when my wife and I decided to tour the Hoover Dam, there were metal detectors so I had to show them that I had my Vic on me. They refused to let me take the tour with that "weapon" on me, and the guard-lady also told me that the knife would not be returned if I chose to leave it with them.

I decided to save the $40 (no kidding, it's $20 per person to tour that dam) and just enjoyed the 100 degree f heat on top of the dam.

I also ran into metal detectors when my wife and I went up to the Top of the World restaurant in the Stratosphere Tower in Vegas. I again had to show the guard (also a lady) that I had a big-time weapon on my person. However, at the strat, the lady kindly put the knife in a cup and kept it for me until I finished my dinner and returned to ground level. The last time I went to the Strat, I just put my knife with my keys and change in the little basket, and they passed it around the metal detector and gave it back to me. No problem.

I did have to take a very long walk from the local airport one time when I had forgotten to pack my Vic in my luggage for the flight. I felt naked for a week while my Vic was in my truck back at home....

best regards -

mqqn
 
In 2004 my wife and I drove from St. Louis to Alexandria, VA. While we were there we went into DC to wander around and also have lunch with a friend who was interning at the Library of Congress. I never considered it until we entered but I had a Leatherman Micro multi-tool on my key ring. Not only couldn't I take it inside or throw it away there but I was completely kicked off the premises until I disposed of it. I had no choice but to go down the street and get rid of it.
 
Once I went into a building with a no weapons or knives sign. Of course I didn't see the sign. When I saw everyone getting wanded inside I knew it was over I had a vaquero Grande a benchmade and glock17 on me. After the wanding he smiled and said you came prepared. There was a cop right there and they never looked at each other. Having to take my gun knives back to the truck was ok. Walking on concrete on a vaquero Grande back in hurt. Of course he just waved me through the second time. Should have kept the glock on.
 
I have a friend who is a big time knife collector and finances his addiction by working as a deputy sheriff here in Nova Scotia. His organization provides court security and, if weapons need to be checked for, they're the ones that do it. Recently he advised me of a potential policy change that had been discussed. Where once am item that would be otherwise legal but simply not permitted in court - a Swiss Army Knife for example - would simply be held until the bearer left the court room and then returned to him or her, the new policy would end with outright confiscation.

I asked him the theoretical question: if he was working, I came into court, and voluntarily handed him my legally owned and carried knife to hold in safe keeping until I came back, would he return it to me?

His answer: Not if I want to keep my job.

He's no happier about it than I am, or anyone else here I'm sure, and he has spoken out against it. I'm not sure if the policy is in effect yet, but I am watching and listening.

I ran into this about 4 years ago, I went to check in my BM 3550, took some hassle and luck that the head policeman walked by and heard that I was active duty. He slipped it back to me and told me to keep it in my pocket. The guys working the metal detector didn't even want to let me return it to my vehicle.

Big plus one though I believe you can check your pocket knives at the door and get them back. Not interested in testing that theory out though. As for other places I carry what I want or I leave.

No theory, unless you get lucky as heck or have a throw away knife, just don't do it.
 
I have a friend who is a big time knife collector and finances his addiction by working as a deputy sheriff here in Nova Scotia. His organization provides court security and, if weapons need to be checked for, they're the ones that do it. Recently he advised me of a potential policy change that had been discussed. Where once am item that would be otherwise legal but simply not permitted in court - a Swiss Army Knife for example - would simply be held until the bearer left the court room and then returned to him or her, the new policy would end with outright confiscation.

I asked him the theoretical question: if he was working, I came into court, and voluntarily handed him my legally owned and carried knife to hold in safe keeping until I came back, would he return it to me?

His answer: Not if I want to keep my job.

He's no happier about it than I am, or anyone else here I'm sure, and he has spoken out against it. I'm not sure if the policy is in effect yet, but I am watching and listening.




Have you seen how much money they (not necessarily Disneyland but places that confiscate knives like court rooms and airports) are making auctioning these confiscated knives off at certain websites. In my opinion its more than keeping people safe, its also a money making venture.

I used to buy lots of computers for resale at a government auction site in Denver. This place has no shipping, requires you to pick up in person. When I would go to pick up the computers they would have a pile of THOUSANDS of knives being sorted for auction. That mountain of knives is burned in my head like a dream.The guy told me its keeping them very busy.
 
Kings Island, Cincinnati Ohio, a few years back
a case mini stockman 2 5/8" long and by the ladies reaction you'd have thought it was a machete, got the scolding then told to remove my belt and walk back through again, repeatedly told "no weapons are allowed"...
they ticket the knife and you can reclaim it when you leave (yay waiting in another line is fun!)
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the offending knife forged in mordor
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I got stopped at the Gateway Arch several years ago for my Buck Prince model. Because I was a reservist, the guard let me go back and put it in the car. Was told that any lockblade was considered a weapon, and would be confiscated. This was about 6 months after 9-11.
 
I've noticed a lot of strip clubs don't let you in if you got a knife on you. Not sure quite why as if I were to put anything into a stripper, a knife would not be the first thing which comes to mind! :D just saying...


In all seriousness, its private property so you gotta follow their rules if you wanna go in and play in their property.




Have you ever been stopped and not permitted to enter with a knife in your pocket?

Ok me first. I went to Disneyland, CA. on on vacation with the family. Wife, two little girls and myself pushing a double stroller. I go there about 8 times a year. At the California Adventures entrance, a short cast member (older lady) ran up to me and asked, "Sir is that knife in your pocket?" I said "yes" (I carry Bench Made Torrent 890). She proceeded to tell me the knives are not allowed in the park and sorry that the first bag check point missed spotting and telling me that. Then she radioed who knows who and another older man walked up behind me and said "the knife doesn't go in or it gets confiscated". "After 9/11 they are not allowed". Then he radioed someone else. Quite a silly site I think and just couldn't get angry about it since it is private property and have to abide by their rules. (I can't help but to think I live among sheep).
So then I tell my wife this is silly and just made a comment to her "California paranoia". I told the lady I would take it bake to my car. I got escorted back to the second check point. I wasn't about to walk all the way back to the car so entered a rest room (in case their we're camera's on me) and concealed it in my camera bag then re-entered the park.
The lady had quite an eye to catch a glimpse of the pocket clip on my shorts in all that chaos. They make quite a spectacle of this. You would've thought I was OCing a pistol. I know she was just doing her job but all the more reason to conceal next time.

So have you had a similar thing happened to you?
 
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digging up an old thread here, but recently this happened to me and it ruined my day or "vacationing".

I just got back from a 6 day trip to Disneyland, coming from Oregon. 5 of those days were spent at the park. Each day we would take a few hour break back at the hotel and come back to the park. So that means i am going through these "security" check points at least twice a day. The first 4 days, and at least 9 trips through the security all they did was check the big compartment of my backpack and send me through. The last day i threw my bag on the table as usual and she waved me through and as i stepped away from the table she noticed my knife clipped inside my pocket, a Benchmade 551. Said i had to give it to her and she would throw it away (a.k.a sell it and make more money off me) or i could walk back to my hotel and leave it there. The hotel was getting to be annoying to walk to, so i walked outside the main gate and slipped it into my pants. As i started to walk back in i noticed an overweight undercover "security" guard talk into a wire coming from his shirt to his neck... so i went to the nearest hotel (across the street), waited in there for a few minutes, and came out. Moral of the story - Disneyland security is a joke. I carried and openly wielded my benchmade the previous 4 days in the parks to cut off tags, open food items, slicing fruit, cutting hangnails, and the thousand other uses my knife performs daily and was never spotted. 3 of the days i carried in a bottle of rum and it went unnoticed as i mixed them into the beverages i bought there. They also don't check baby strollers or wheelchairs. I didn't feel unsafe in Disneyland and never have the multiple times i have been there, and that's because it's Disneyland and the people going there aren't malicious. There could be zero security and i would feel just as safe. It's the fake sense of security they provide that upsets me.

The other times i have been unarmed of my knife i did so without an argument, because the reasoning was just, and the security was fair and understanding.

Two different times at clubs/bars in downtown Portland. Both of which told me i cannot carry a knife inside, but that it would be tagged and i could pick it up on the way out. Made sense; lots of people, everyone is drinking, close quarters, shit happens downtown and honestly it made me feel safer knowing the security was so tight that they could see a tiny black clip in my pocket before i even got to the entrance.

And another time at the Stratosphere in Vegas. Same scenario, no hassles, just holding it until i leave.

If Disney just had a return tag system. Or hell, even padded envelopes and stamps right there. Sell the envelopes for $10. Disneyland goers pay $7 for a corndog, why not ten dollars to return your knife safely to your home - i would have, just to save time and a headache.

I will never stop carrying a knife. Growing up, i was taught by my mother that a man should always be able to produce two things on command - Tools and Time. The number of times per day i help someone by glancing at my watch or by providing a knife is uncountable and invaluable.
 
My dad's old buddy who is a US Secret Service agent might beg to differ with the guards of such a place (based several federal laws, not including 18 USC 926B). Heck I would pay to see that argument go down.

Probably has to do with being on duty. Seems perfectly feasible to say that off duty cops can't have guns on your private property. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some state vs federal issues to hammer out as well.
 
Probably has to do with being on duty. Seems perfectly feasible to say that off duty cops can't have guns on your private property. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some state vs federal issues to hammer out as well.
Local police perhaps, but not feds.
 
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