Knives on School Grounds - Disinformation/Misrepresentation??

[Spey]

I'll tell you my approach when I have to go inside school buildings (elementary, middle and high school)..... I carry a knife as I always do. I just don't flash it around and I am certainly not a student at any of these school levels. The policy is in place for STUDENTS.

Yes, same. I agree.

The funny thing is when I go for an open house BBQ (burgers & dogs, etc.), and I can't even find a plastic knife to use when I need to cut or spread something ... :-0

 

[Sosa]

BBQ? Someone would need a lighter. That's school contraband. I guess if the custodian is a women trapped in a mans body he can work in the girls showers.

 

[Spey]

BBQ? Someone would need a lighter. That's school contraband. I guess if the custodian is a women trapped in a mans body he can work in the girls showers.

Appreciate the humor there ... but, don't all good men carry a lighter, handkerchief and a knife (afterall a man without a knife is useless at best) ?
Then there's the transgender bathroom movement of the Obama/Clinton era to address your second comment ;-)

 

[ichor]

I'll tell you my approach when I have to go inside school buildings (elementary, middle and high school)..... I carry a knife as I always do. I just don't flash it around and I am certainly not a student at any of these school levels. The policy is in place for STUDENTS.

THIS.....been carrying a pocketknife since age five. It's not like someone is going to hold you down and search you. Just go about your business as usual.....no logical reason anyone would know you even have a knife. shrug

 

[W.M.B.]

Just because its not illegal doesnt mean you won't get arrested for it. Just sayin'. Ive got better ways to spend my time than explaining why I'm right on a thing that isn't going to do me much good anyway. I would just leave it in the car.

 

[Sosa]

Appreciate the humor there ... but, don't all good men carry a lighter, handkerchief and a knife (afterall a man without a knife is useless at best) ?
Then there's the transgender bathroom movement of the Obama/Clinton era to address your second comment ;-)

You're right about the lighter. I quit smoking and stopped carrying one for a while. Then when the need for one would arise I felt like a worthless POS and let down my peers.

 

[Spey]

You're right about the lighter. I quit smoking and stopped carrying one for a while. Then when the need for one would arise I felt like a worthless POS and let down my peers.

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

BTW, in my mind a bandana is an acceptable substitute for a handkerchief ... ;-)

Regards,

 

[OhShoot]

I'll tell you my approach when I have to go inside school buildings (elementary, middle and high school)..... I carry a knife as I always do. I just don't flash it around and I am certainly not a student at any of these school levels. The policy is in place for STUDENTS.

Who cares about "policy". TN statute 39-17-1309. Possible Class E felony.

- OS

 

[craytab]

Who cares about "policy". TN statute 39-17-1309. Possible Class E felony.

- OS

And that is why it is important to know the law. No need to guess or listen to hear say. Know the policy and know the law. And know the consequences for breaking either. Simple.

 

[Spey]

I'll tell you my approach when I have to go inside school buildings (elementary, middle and high school)..... I carry a knife as I always do. I just don't flash it around and I am certainly not a student at any of these school levels. The policy is in place for STUDENTS.

Yes, same. I agree.

The funny thing is when I go for an open house BBQ (burgers & dogs, etc.), and I can't even find a plastic knife to use when I need to cut or spread something ... :-0

Who cares about "policy". TN statute 39-17-1309. Possible Class E felony.

- OS

As the OP of this thread, I can see I potentially need to to a little homework and moderation of this thread as I can see the purpose of my OP is somewhat getting derailed by the specific things I was attempting to bring to light "Disinformation/Misrepresentation??"

I hope to do this in a manner so as not to offend anyone, but yet reset the thread such that it stays on message and perhaps use the posts already in the thread as illustrative of the ""Disinformation/Misrepresentation" and how the issue can be made exponentially worse as misunderstood information passes from one to another, instead of individual doing there own research specific to their specific needs. Hopefully this will become clear as I attempt here now to do this.
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I believe there are a couple examples of the problem illustrated in the above exchange between 22-rimfire and myself. It is my guess that 22-rimfire has been made aware that TN law has changes regarding possession of knives. While I am not a TN resident, and I could very well be off base here with both my interpretation of 22-rimfire and TN law ..., but my guess this is related to knife blade length restrictions being lifted AND in exchange intent of carry has been made the focus of determining if a knife is considered a tool or a deadly-weapon.

I commented back to 22-rimfire (see above and previous posts) from a perspective of knowing how my federal, state, county, city, jurisdictional laws apply to me that it seems we both carry in similar philosophy. The problem here is that others might think this means we are both on the correct side our the laws governing, in effect assuming possibly that what's good for others can/should apply perhaps to them also, and perhaps might choose to pass this information to others and we start the chain reaction of "Disinformation/Misrepresentation" all over again.

Post by Oh-Shoot really calls this to attention:
While the laws of TN have changed, possibly liberating those who prefer carrying longer blades, folks need to understand they need to do their own research. Whilst you can read TN Statute "§ 39-17-1307 - Unlawful carrying or possession of a weapon" and see that knives and blade lengths are not called out, there can and most likely are additional more restrictive codes related to various places that might be applicable. Examples may include general public places, establishments that sell alcohol, court-houses, federal buildings, schools, etc., etc. The example Oh-Shoot references TN Statute "§ 39-17-1309 - Carrying weapons on school property." is but one example very specifically illustrating this with the term "weapon of like kind" appearing to be an extremely broad and encompassing term (arguably I believe it would include a sharp No.2 pencil that was not actually doing school work ...).

Additionally, I feel the need to also call specific attention to another thing that is possibly glazed over by many. My references to "Federal, State, County, City, etc." Just because something (a knife in this case) is not specifically called out in a State Code does not mean it is inherently therefore legal as the above comments illustrate perhaps the classification of a property may further restrict, so might a County or City Code (where I live simply driving across a city line can make a significant difference - do a little research on those poor knife enthusiasts in N.Y. State and think about what they deal with related to crossing the line into the great City Of N.Y., then perhaps thru various rural municipalities ... ARG!! ).

I will close this post here now with a bit of entertainment. I chose this video because I feel it directly relates to a societal problem I am speaking to here. If we are trained to believe tools (intangible objects) can do us harm and that those items need to be banned, we are choosing to ignore the fact that the "problem" is actually with how the society itself is evolving (the individuals). If we simply repeat information with no regard to fact checking, we are the problem I am speaking to. If we make no effort to resist, we become inherently part of the problem. I strongly resist this philosophy as I believe it deters learning & experiencing tools that were fundamental in building our great nation.

[video=youtube;YleZvTSDC6s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleZvTSDC6s[/video]

 

[wesmanthetiger]

I think just following some basic common sense is enough to help those on both sides of the issue.

 

[Spey]

The video in my previous post speaks to me, because of the lessons I learned.

I got my 1st Daisy for my 4th birthday (may have been christmas). That same night cocking that BB gun holding the stock with my left-hand with cocking lever in my right-hand, the cocking lever slipped from my right-hand near the top of the stroke. The pain I felt on the knuckle of my left-thumb as that lever struck me opening a triangular flap of skin was intense. Little could I know this was but a first-hand lesson, followed shortly with what getting your first stitches feels like ... :-O

Did my parents take away that BB gun ..., NO. They could see it was punishment enough that I could not cock it with a bandaged hand, and therefore could not use it. It was not even "taken away" at that point. It's not like I did anything bad/wrong, and needed a spanking. I instead learned to cock it by placing the butt of the stock behind my right knee, pulling the barrel to my chest with my left forearm, and cocking the lever with my right hand (barrel barrel naturally moved to between my left bicep and shoulder during cocking action).

Boy o Boy my Mom was pissed when she realized I'd been shooting that thing with stitches, because she thought "I'd learned my lesson". She said "your father will deal with you when he get's home". OMG, the anticipation was worse than the stitches ... Dad get's home, I am called into the living room, my precious Daisy leaning against the couch. Dad is like no-way, I don't believe it. Says show me how you could cock that thing in your condition ... They both looked at each other, my guess they understood the creativity illustrated something significant. Additionally, they had felt the pain I had experienced as only parent can when their children are injured.

As in the video above, I too learned about reflective energy (the metal sign as a backstop and the use of steel BB's).
Partial list of lessons here:
Energy & Recoil (day one, scar to this day to prove it)
Reflection of energy (BB ricochet, yep been hit in the face just like the video)
Energy absorption (steel BB vs lead pellet and/or lead BB)
I could go on with the lesson of my youth from both that first Daisy BB gun and my first knife Old Timer Stockman (5th birthday, along with Arkansa stone and hand written diagrams from my older brother ...

These are the things I see in that video (lessons tools teach from first hand use). I suspect others may only see "You'll shoot your eye out" and a progression that you'll evolve into using the tool as a weapon ... And as folks do not have these learning lessons they may choose diminish the value of the lessons for others (because they have not had first hand experiences).

Both of my children got a Daisy BB gun early on and carry pocket-knives daily. Both qualified hunter safety with 98 & 100 respectively at 100-yards with 22-rimfire, passed with high scores on trap range and archery also (requirements in out state for hunting license).

The first hand lessons these tools have taught, instilled at young age, include minimally an interest in physics and how things work that no book or instructor could without first hand experience learning from the tool in hand.

I suppose I need to bring this back to the OP Knives on School Grounds - Disinformation/Misrepresentation and becoming misinformed by outside influences.
When someone presents you with you can't do something because of ... some law, etc. or you can do something because of ..., don't blindly accept that "knowledge" as truth or fact. Do your own research as it applies to you, and where you are or will be. The knowledge learned can not be understood until you do the research for yourself.

 

[GWashington1732]

What are you doing at a school that this is a big deal to you? If you're just going in to pick up your kids, just leave it in the car, the odds of you needing it are craptacularly low. If you're a school employee, then you CHOSE to work there and you need to use a little discretion and sensibility to make your decision on what and what not to bring. A paring knife in a lunch box is no big deal, a groundskeeper with a Leatherman is not going to turn any heads. Otherwise, choose your battles, some things just aren't worth worrying about; too much stress will give you hemorrhoids, relax.

 

[Thomas Linton]

Knives on school grounds are a fine idea. When I was a kid, almost every boy had a pocket knife in his pocket at school - in Kaliforna yet.

Over time, school types have become paranoid about knives as society in general has become ignorant about knives. Ignorance leads to fear of the unknown

"Zero tolerance" means zero exercise of judgment.