Knives, Sheeple and Trouble

C.S. Graves said:
Victory! Well, maybe a small one. Next time they thank you for helpin' out with your knife, you could quote Dr. Hibbert from a certain Simpsons episode:

Don't thank me... thank.... the knife!
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Don't do what Donny Don't does. *sigh* They could have made this clearer.
 
shunsui said:
I'm curious where they're getting all this knife phobia from these days. I watch TV, read the newspaper, etc. I don't see where the programming is coming from that makes women hysterical about the sight of a knife. Is it something in those women's magazines no one else would ever read ?
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Maybe it's from "The Hunted" anyone seen that? A movie that came out in '03 or '04 and it's about a special ops guy who may or may not have gone nuts but was trained in Kali, he uses his knife fighting skills and the movie gets fairly gory at times, a few people get sliced up.....I have a theory there are images that get lodged in peoples sub-conscious about knives and they pop-up when they see a knife, thereby triggering the fear reaction. Then we have the 911 boxcutter assaults, the tragic Daniel Pearl beheading and terrorism in general, maybe it all adds up to a critical mass of knife phobia.
 
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I'm curious where they're getting all this knife phobia from these days. I watch TV, read the newspaper, etc. I don't see where the programming is coming from that makes women hysterical about the sight of a knife. Is it something in those women's magazines no one else would ever read ?

It comes from people and newspaper articles like this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

"The research is published in the British Medical Journal.
The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all. "
 
My first post!
I work in an office environment and am also one of the managers. For anyone that has been a manager for any length of time, you soon find out that you don't exactly have as much authority as you thought you would prior to becoming a manager. There are always bigger managers and then there are the more hierarchial managers in HR, the ones who generally hand out the sweeping one size fits all rules. When it comes to the way I run my office and knife use, as long as the employee is discreet and uses the knife as a tool, then no harm no foul. However if somebody is not discreet and starts waving the knife around like Rambo (this has never happened by the way), HR will find out and they will dictate policy to me to implement.
At the company I work for, they provide gifts to employees for the different years of service milestones. As I was reviewing the magazine brochure for the gifts for my 15th anniversary, I was pleased to see they had a binocular - swiss army knife kit as one of the gifts! Of course I had to get that and it now sits in my office at work. Why keep it at work? It hasn't happened yet but if anyone were to hassle me about knives in the workplace, I would simply point their attention to my binocular - knife kit with large company logo on the knife handle as proof that the company doesn't have a problem with knives, I mean tools! Kim
 
A few years ago I started working at a brand new production facility. Rules and regs were not yet put into place so a few of the employees carried small knives to cut plastic strap, stretch wrap, cardboard, or whatever. I loved it because it gave me a chance to exercise my collection.

There was one jerkoff employee that ruined it for everyone. He was a 30 something male and threatened a 50 something female because he thought she was talking smack about him. He took his cheap Pakistani liner lock and made a throat slash gesture towards her. She reported it and suddenly personal knives were not allowed on the production floor. :(
 
stevekt said:
A few years ago I started working at a brand new production facility. Rules and regs were not yet put into place so a few of the employees carried small knives to cut plastic strap, stretch wrap, cardboard, or whatever. I loved it because it gave me a chance to exercise my collection.

There was one jerkoff employee that ruined it for everyone. He was a 30 something male and threatened a 50 something female because he thought she was talking smack about him. He took his cheap Pakistani liner lock and made a throat slash gesture towards her. She reported it and suddenly personal knives were not allowed on the production floor. :(
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That's all it takes. Tools are instuments for exerting power. With the power comes increased responsibility. Irresponsibility is always the enemy of freedom and individual autonomy.
 
> Called you a sheeple? Yes, you do give that impression. Maybe we need a less pejorative term ...

Man I do hate the "sheeple" word. I respect my colleagues and friends too much to denigrate them like that even if they have zero interest in our not so common hobby.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I think that's exactly right. Tools, weapons, equipment in a good citizen's hands are a benefit to that citizen and to his society. Helpless, ill-equipped, untrained citizens are a burden to the paid emergency personnel who can't be everything to everyone.

The more concealed weapons in a community, the harder it is for criminals to feel confident in their ability to overawe a passing stranger, and that includes everything from firearms to knives to batons to pepper spray to kubatons..
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^^ I actually have friends who don't carry a round chambered in their ccw / carry firearm.. They mock me constantly for always having a round in my carry / ccw firearm. I turn the cheek.. knowing that if I ever absolutely need my firearm it will be ready for me.

As far as the OP post, and other's in this thread who've attacked the man from Montana for his beliefs.

People who will willingly seek to destroy your rights to carry a tool, or to carry a firearm are the enemy. They are willingly denying you your right to freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness because they are timid people.

As is such, we have no room in a free society for those that will seek to impose their will through laws designed to restrict you. They are very much the enemy. Period.

It is not your duty as an American Citizen to conform to other people's irrational fears over your freedoms. Period.
 
st3venb said:
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People who will willingly seek to destroy your rights to carry a tool, or to carry a firearm are the enemy. They are willingly denying you your right to freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness because they are timid people.

As is such, we have no room in a free society for those that will seek to impose their will through laws designed to restrict you. They are very much the enemy. Period.

It is not your duty as an American Citizen to conform to other people's irrational fears over your freedoms. Period.
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>The function of law is social control, without some type of controls in place there would be, ah, maybe a bit of trouble can we say? Laws are supposed to resrict...I think what you are speaking to is when the social control of law gets perverted, I have a problem with that too my friend.
 
Ryou said:
>The function of law is social control, without some type of controls in place there would be, ah, maybe a bit of trouble can we say? Laws are supposed to resrict...I think what you are speaking to is when the social control of law gets perverted, I have a problem with that too my friend.
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The fundamental ideal of the constitution / bill of rights is so that the majority cannot rule the minority through legislation designed to infringe on their rights.

Laws that protect you as a citizen are good. Laws that restrict you unecessarily out of the government's (state / federal) scope of power, are illegal and should not be obeyed.

Period.
 
st3venb said:
Laws that restrict you unecessarily out of the government's (state / federal) scope of power, are illegal and should not be obeyed.
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And where does this scope of power lie? Lincoln suspended freedom of the press during the Civil War. It's been done before, and it can be done again.
 
Hi, thanks for your posts here and welcome to BF. My question is where is the line of restriction drawn? For example, would you be in favor of open sword carry for anyone over 16? Open assault rifle carry for anyone without a felony conviction? [I actually like that a bit :D], should any lines be drawn in the ownership of anything that is readily to be used as and designed as a weapon?
 
Josh K said:
And where does this scope of power lie? Lincoln suspended freedom of the press during the Civil War. It's been done before, and it can be done again.
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There are provisions in the constitution for what he did.


Ryou said:
Hi, thanks for your posts here and welcome to BF. My question is where is the line of restriction drawn? For example, would you be in favor of open sword carry for anyone over 16? Open assault rifle carry for anyone without a felony conviction? [I actually like that a bit], should any lines be drawn in the ownership of anything that is readily to be used as and designed as a weapon?
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In my honest opinion, (which contradicts my beliefs unfortunately) is that the only restrictions American Citizens should have on their rights to bear arms is if they're a convicted felon, or deemed mentally unfit by the courts. As far as arms they're capable of owning, I'd draw the line before crew served weapons.
 
Ryou said:
Hi, thanks for your posts here and welcome to BF. My question is where is the line of restriction drawn? For example, would you be in favor of open sword carry for anyone over 16? Open assault rifle carry for anyone without a felony conviction? [I actually like that a bit], should any lines be drawn in the ownership of anything that is readily to be used as and designed as a weapon?
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I'd say it's the responsibility of people to be held accountable for their actions. Designed or not, it's possible to use just about anything as a weapon.
 
st3venb said:
There are provisions in the constitution for what he did.
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Exactly my point. If the power of the government is limitless, then how can we bitch and complain about it? I'm not saying we shouldn't, but when people argue "It's not a power they have to take my AR away" when it's simply not true.
 
Josh K said:
Exactly my point. If the power of the government is limitless, then how can we bitch and complain about it? I'm not saying we shouldn't, but when people argue "It's not a power they have to take my AR away" when it's simply not true.
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Wikipedia said:
It has also been asserted that the President's responsibility in the "faithful" execution of the laws entitles him to suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. Article One provides that the privilege may not be suspended save during times of rebellion or invasion, but it does not specify who may suspend the privilege. Congress, the Supreme Court has ruled, may suspend the privilege if it deems it necessary. During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln suspended the privilege, but, due to the vehement opposition he faced, obtained congressional authorization for the same.[citation needed] Since then, the privilege of the writ has only been suspended upon the express authorization of Congress.
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I'm not familiar with the circumstances, so I'm researching this. It's my understanding this can only be done in true times of crisis: ie rebellion or invasion.

I guess the point of the second amendment is that if the government decides they'd like to take our rights, they'll have a fight on their hands. When it comes down to it though, too often do people voluntarily give up their rights... by either condoning the government taking away our knives or guns... or by condoning the government to do x, y, or z. By continually bending to people who are "afraid" of the tools we choose to carry, we're signing our rights away.

In my honest, and frank opinion.
 
With all that said, I carry my glock 23, and a strider SMF _everywhere_ I go.


Both are concealed, for my safety. I use the knife at work.. hell I had the head chef here sharpen it for me. I think it's an unsaid no weapons policy here, but.. *shrug* I'm not going to become a statistic willingly.
 
I have gone to fully concealed, I don't even want the clip showing on my EDC blade, do they have me on the run or am I temporarily conforming to a perceived social value, norm, socially shared fear in order to get along? I think it's a combination of both, ....if I had my way I'd strap on a K-bar and go about my life without being molested by people projecting their unjustified fears.
 
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