Knives that are not used (long)

Ken44 said:
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What one "specific thing" ? In less than 10 words this time please,lol.
If it had nothing to do with knife talk then I'm really lost:p
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Theres nothing to get to the bottom of. I saw a youtube video that I thought was stupid and
turned it into a knife forum post about the 'this is THIS-ness' of our knives, as opposed to endless bickering about god knows what.
I dont mind answering you at all-- but I have to leave this wi-fi spot at some point. :)
 
OK Moto54. Fundamental ontology, phenomenology, and post-Freudian theory another time... Of course, I'll take Homer's Iliad over the rest any day... lots of sharp pointy things in that epic 'immortal' tale... talk about standing the test of time! :cool: Cheers.
 
Moto54 said:
Thats pretty funny, but it was more to do with use; its not like I was making a direct metaphor between a person and a knife, you know, where the scales are the
torso and the blade is the head and the edge is the mouth and the flipper is.. use your imagination (which being a woman you will have to.)
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A woman has to do something standard, with no flexibility? Sounds a bit sexist and insulting.
 
jill jackson said:
Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. Who cares if a knife can possibly outlast a human. It may and it may not, depending on many circumstances. We actually create nothing, we merely rearrange molecules into a different form, it will continue to exist in one form or another long after we are gone, even our material bodies.
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The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd sentences I will ignore, but the 4th sentence is very interesting.
I agree with you completely; its like when they add an element to the iron/carbon mixture
to improve performance of knife steel- all the elements remain whole as what they are.
Manganese does not get swallowed up and 'die' when added to ordinary steel.. it is always
manganese and always will be. Most people dont realize that the dirt we walk on is in large
part made of oxygen, as another example.

So the same must be true for the elements that we are made of, and I dont mean just the
obvious physical elements we know about. There is no need to put this in spiritual clothes,
or speculate. The fact is science admits the observable universe is likely only a few
percent of what the universe 'is'. The rest they call dark matter and dark energy. But we
do know that elements remain what they are even when combined to make compounds, so it
seems guilty and stupid for humans to assume WE are not part of a similar process.. and by
we I mean the conscious part.

Anyway :)
 
I believe that a knife forum IS for trivial discussion.
Centering, bladeplay, grind lines etc.
That's why I come on here. No one else I know cares about that stuff.
A knife with an off-center blade, bad grind lines, and bladeplay will still cut. And that's all most people care about.
Everything is trivial.
I love big motors and hot-rods.
I can tell you that I could drive around a 4-cylinder with 100HP and get everywhere just fine.
But that's not fun, so I built a 600HP big-block.

A Frost knife will cut things, but my Sebenza does too.
 
I say my folders would be probably last long enough to be passed down many generations.
My work knives, would last 10 years max. I know chefs would sharpen their knife to a nub in less than 2 years. Why I only 'sharpen' on a polish stone, minimum steel removal is key for me.
 
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sodak said:
Cold front moving in to Colorado. I'm in the process of moving, but will be around long enough to enjoy Halloween, always great when it's snowing during trick or treat - keeps the tough kids out and the wimps home! :D
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My snowmobile is begging for some riding! Here in upstate New York (farm country) the weather is all over the place. It was 23°F this morning, and then mid 50°F mid day. Frost and a Carhartt and then a T-Shirt. :( I'd rather just have a foot of snow than this in-between stuff.

This random thread needs pictures! :D
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Apologies for attempting to meander back onto topic ;)

I'm buying my knives because I like them, it's my disposable income to do with as I like and because my collection is something that gives me pleasure of ownership.

When I shuffle off this mortal coil, my collection may get sold, passed to my descendants or melted down for scrap....I can't control that- so why worry?....With a long enough timeframe in mind, everything is temporary certainly in this physical dimension/universe

It's also not 'weapon consumerism' as I don't consider the primary function of my knives to be weaponry- they are primarily tools and in a secondary fashion an expression of the interesting 'compromise cocktail' between materials and design. Yeah, each could be employed as a weapon. But so could every pebble on the beach- and most folks look at the beach as a beach, not a weapon locker ;)


The point I'd redirect on from the discussion and the OP's is the fine line between collecting and hoarding: It was discussed on a radio show I heard recently....Hoarding's a big problem in modern life as a 'short-circuiting' of the base hunter/gatherer instinct and as a reaction to the stresses of today (EG-Subconsciously: "I might be able to control my life but I can control how many beermats I have in a neat pile on my windowsill)

If you are obsessively buying and keeping things- be they of one type or many- without a clear idea or list of how many you already had...Maybe you are a compulsive hoarder rather than a collector.

Collectors tend (according to the theory) have a very clear idea of what is in there collection to fine degree.

But until your hoarding reaches a 'crisis point'- where you can't get into a room in your house for example- it might be manageable and barely different from collecting.

Food for thought.
 
A collector is just a hoarder with a bigger house. There is no real distinction, some just like to call it hoarding bacause it has a negative connotation. BTW, what would you call someone who has so much gold bullion piled up that they can no longer get into the room...I would call them rich.

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So, I still have no idea what the original poster was on about. Seemed something like "if you buy Zero Tolerance knives based on their features and don't use them, there is something wrong with you."

I have two Zero Tolerance knives. I bought them because I got a really great deal on them. They both have Elmax steel. I don't know enough about metallurgy to understand the benefits of Elmax over other steels, other than what I have read on the Internet. That didn't play a big part in my purchase decision. It does seem like a nice steel from what I have read about it. I knew that if I didn't like them, they would make nice gifts to friends and family who are also interested in knives.

Turns out I like both knives pretty well and carry and use them. Good size, good ergonomics, and I like the features and build quality. I'm sure when I die they will both be more or less intact, since I don't think I will be able to "use them up" during my remaining life span. Not sure what that has to do with anything. I don't tear up my stuff so pretty much everything I own that isn't a consumable will still be around for the estate sale.
 
Me I throw away knives that disapointed me, particularly for grinding thinness, precision and symmetry, but other aspects as well... I do give them a bit of time, as initially disapointing knives can "grow" on me, while others reveal design issues that were not initially apparent. My knives are expensive but not worth my time thinking about selling them... So I definitely outlast those I throw away... Knives that are "in-between" satisfaction and disapointment go to the basement, and are often called upon to be used to save cosmetic damage on the really satisfying ones... Good Knives for me are to be tested for function, then fully re-finished (to my liking, totally ignoring collector value) to a pristine state and then admired, hopefully never to be used again... Good "utility" for admiring means that they don't take scratches/wear from the sheath ingress or egress (to be admired), a requirement that is surprisingly rare and difficult to achieve. I don't kid myself I need them, as that would be to be a wannabe, which is much worse than having no use for them...

Gaston
 
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