knives that have scared off trouble makers

Twice.

Knife-Benchmade 330 carried clipped in my shirt pocket.

First time was a couple years ago in downtown Las Vegas in the alleyway between Fitzgerarlds and Lady Luck, ~ 5:00AM Vegas time,,~8:00AM Ohio time which is why we were up amd moving at that hour. My wife and I were about 20 feet into the unlit alleyway when some guy comes out of the shadows and starts in with a hard luck story. At 5:00 AM, we were all alone except for him. Nothing real dramatic though. As it became clear all he wanted to do was distract us long enough to do some sort of kick or punch or cut and grab my wife's fanny pack, I put myself in between him and her. He beat feet when I drew my hand up to my shirt, where it was plain I carried a knife of some sort there. The 330 is plainly a knife to someone that knows what the top of a clipped knife looks life, otherwise it's not very clear what it is. That plus another couple appeared about 50 feet away.

A few things about this:

1.) I didn't expect trouble, but I't wasn't totally unexpected. I guess you could say I was in condition "off white";). My mind was more on the Elvis slots and free Bloody Mary's than it was on getting mugged.
2.) I very much looked the part of a middle aged tourist. Slot cards hanging from the neck, tub full of nickles, wife the same,,the whole bit. If it came down to his word against our word, no contest. All I had to do is what I did. Drop the BM into my pants pocket. Being middle aged, fat dumb and happy looking can be a distinct advantage. ;) What it boils down to though is if you look, act and dress like a banger, expect that to compound things. More so if you go it alone. 2 is always better than 1, especially where word against word applies.
3.) I avoided trouble, I didn't extricate myself from it. Huge difference. Plain and simple, things worked out for me(us) and didn't for him. Take away the sudden appearance of the other couple, or add another BG and it's a different ballgame.
4.) Adding to the above, I didn't have to draw to make it effective, but I was 100% prepared to do so. I'd far rather spend my time explaining my actions to officer friendly, than visiting my wife in a hosipital,,, or worse.
5.) The whole episode happened with incredible speed. From his first appearance, to when he turned and ran must have lasted 30 seconds. At the time it happend though, it seemed like it was taking an hour for him to give me(us) his hard luck story. Having been in deep kimchee a couple of other times, that whole time stands still feeling told me I(we) was (were) in trouble,,,big trouble. My wife on the other hand commented later that the young man was talking fairly fast, and acting "impatient", because he ran (actually walked fast) away without waiting for our response.

Sorry to be so long winded here. It really reads a lot more melodramatic than it actually was. I really think that a show of force goes a long way towards making a BG rethink you as a target. I'm not talking about flashing steel or anything as drastic as that. Simply showing you are ready, willing and able to resist, and quite possibly inflict some damage makes you less of a target is all. Actually pulling on someone is a different matter. If it comes down to that, you better have all your ducks in a row. This isn't really a "I pulled on the guy and he ran away" story. It's a , "Hey, I'm going to be more expensive target than I'm willing to bet you're willing to pay for" story.

The second time is similar, except for the time of day, location and actions,and I was by myself. Same basic thing though. Possible BG, agitated and nervous, dressed in a hooded sweatshirt w/the hood on in 75 degree weather, asked for a smoke. My hand went to my shirt pocket, he spotted the BM and ran. Maybe scared, maybe just too high or drunk. Whatever. Bottom line, I as a fairly well dressed business person, and he dressed as a banger or a kook, presented something he didn't quite expect.
 
Welp, this turned into a much longer post than I meant...

I'm lucky in that I have the "American boy-next-door" kinda look (except when I grow a goatee -- makes anyone look more bad...LOL), but I'm 6'3" and about 190. I carry myself in "neutral" mode, for many reasons.

When I was a young buck and learning to be "tactical," (jeez...the frivolity of youth) I practiced being in "aggressive, red-alert" mode all the time, thinking that was how to avoid conflict. It worked on the street to a degree -- kept the cowardly muggers away. However, I learned very quickly that in bars and elsewhere, it was a bad thing. A**holes who were looking for a fight always zeroed in on me, because I carried myself (in their eyes) like another a**hole. So, people would start sh*t just because of that. Oops.

When we carry ourselves in passive mode (the spectrum here being "aggressive--neutral--passive"), we invite attacks from those would-be muggers who think we're an easy target. (Forgive me, I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but just including this all for perspective)

Neutral mode works great, because you slip under the radar of those in bars and elsewhere who might otherwise view you as threat to their manhood. On the street, you pass under the radar overall, and if a possble mugger or attackers notices you, you leave a big question-mark in his mind. Fear of the unknown. It's a way of being invisible. Also, if I've been dumb enough to get into a situation that I had to explain my way out of, the boy-next-door thing works wonders. Officers think I'm too "nice" to have started anything (I never do start things, but it makes getting out of it easier).

Of course, this all implies that an attacker is rational, ot not jucied up on drugs/alcohol. I had a crackhead try to mug me in Manhattan -- he was so juiced, he didn't even "see" me -- he just saw my coffee, and wanted it bad. I ended up kicking him hard in the solar plexus (I wanted my coffee more) when he came at me with a knife. Game over, and I was on my way (after a passing businessman cooly picked up the knife and winked at me, and we both left the scene). The mugger didn't get up -- I heard and felt ribs snap. He was disarmed and I didn't wait for the police. Too much 'splaining.

Another time, I was in my hometown at a bar when strangers walked in, and started messing with one of my friends. Now, this friend of mine is fun to hang with, but doesn't always exercise restraint. A lot of terse words were exchanged, and I was attempting to be diplomat. The strangers left after lots of threats, etc. I had a bad feeling, and when we were about to leave, I told my friends to hang a minute while I scoped out the parking lot. Saw these dudes with baseball bats and a chain. I went back to the bar, and asked to use the phone. I called a pal on the local police force (who I knew was on-duty) -- on his cell phone, instead of dialing 911. I smelled trouble, and wanted his back-up, and wanted HIM to be there on the scene if anything happened. I couldn't convince my friends to stay in the bar until help arrived, and I wasn't gonna let them go out without me, in spite of their stupidity. They wanted action (I don't hang out with them in bars anymore).

Long story longer, we went outside, were attacked with a knife first, and I was the the closest target (he tried to cut my left forearm). I countered with my Spydie Civilian with a "one" (Filipino cut) to the inside of his wrist while slapping the back of his knife hand, then did a "three" to his torso (not real deep, but it was bloody). Everyone backed away from me in horror -- including my friends (shock at violence happens to everyone on a scene I guess). The fight was over, the police came screaming in right then (my pal in the lead, who had informed his fellow officers who the good guy was), took those guys away (hospital first for the knife guy), took my statement, and I went home.

I won't go into the legal follow-up, but it was an open and shut case in my favor -- no trials or anything, just closed at the police report level.

Hell, I must've had too much coffee -- I don't usually write this much!!!

Best,
Brian.
 
Hey Brian, I totally understand.

While i'm not old enough to hang out in bars and such, I grew up in a relatively congested area on the south side of Chicago.

Needless to say, with congestion comes a criminal element.

I started the "red alert" thing at the start of Junior High, and dropped it when I started High School.
True enough, guys looking for a fight know how to find one - and in urban public schools you get plenty of folks looking for fights. On the one level, it did me some good, lotsa of unarmed personal defense experience - it's nice to be confident that you don't need a knife to protect yourself from the vast majorities of the hostile morons.
This is why I don't feel it's necessary for me to carry a "tactical" knife (although I tend to prefer the robust features of tactical folders)

At any rate, i've shifted to neutral mode and haven't had the need to really defend myself in quite some time (at least 1 1/2yrs) - moving out of the city helped too :)

For whatever it's worth, as a 6'4" 270 pounder i'm not going to pretend i'm the thinnest guy on the block, but because i've never carried myself in a passive way i'm proud to say I don't have a gut that hangs down to my knees.

Ok i'm through with my random babble - just wanted you to know you are not alone.
 
Yeah,

It was a long time ago before I wised up. But thought it worth sharing...

Thanks, Youngcutter...

Best,

Brian.
 
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