Knives & Theme Parks

I agree that personal security is a right. I also am not adverse to "sneaking" my knife into a place where they do not want you to carry one. Not a govt. building or plane, but private places are fair game IMO. Worst that can happen is they find it and either refuse admission or hold it for you or you leave. I also believe that it is possible to be adequately equipped to defend oneself most anywhere, no matter what they "allow" you to carry. I am by no means a slave to being safe. I believe it is my duty and responsibility to keep myself safe. I don't rely on the cops. I do stay legal. Anything that is not illegal though, is fair game IMO.
 
Good Evening Everyone-

Yes, the increasing amount of metal detectors is quite annoying. During a recent trip to New York, there were people discussing how "nice and reassuring" the machines are for The Empire State Building. :barf: These sheeple apparently believe it would be much less horrific if someone is shot or stabbed on the corner of Broadway & 34th Street rather than in the building. Double-:barf:

Anyway, getting back to theme parks and other such semi-public venues. I've seen signs that say, "Knives, sharpened objects, and items believed to be weapons will be confiscated." Oh yeah? Whom will conduct the confiscation? That is THEFT in my book. If the knife/tool is legal on the street, I find it very hard to believe that some "bouncer" can legally take it from you.

Metal detectors have become the norm for nightclubs, concerts, arenas, and other "entertainment sites" like theme parks. It's always a hoot when these nimwits think they're solving crime by turning away a group of mid-30's professionals with S.A.K.s in the name of "safety." Well, I guess it is for the children....

Again, it could mean a walk back to your car or hotel room, but I don't think they have much to stand upon for permanent confiscation. One2GoFst, KBR, and others have a great viewpoint in that it is almost a "sport" to bring our tools along purely for kicks n' giggles!

I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TeeeVeee.

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Originally posted by Blue Jays:
I've seen signs that say, "Knives, sharpened objects, and items believed to be weapons will be confiscated." Oh yeah? Whom will conduct the confiscation? That is THEFT in my book.


Amen to that.

I'd like to see someone try, :mad:JUST TRY:mad: to confiscate my knives. Actually, I'd probably just bust out laughing!!:D :D :D
 
Good Evening Everyone-

KBR, I hear ya!

About as far as venue management could get would be to show you the door. Let's say they announce something silly like, "Management will no longer allow sneakers in the venue. All patrons must wear brown leather shoes. Sneakers will be confiscated."

They can say anything they want. The trick is how to enforce the silly, knee-jerk rules that are created in the effort to "do something" to prevent terrorism. In our fictional example, how are they going to take away your sneakers....allegedly the preferred footwear of terrorists?

Exactly. You'll tell them to pound sand as you take your family and your business elsewhere...

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Go to a country club to eat sometime. Most every one will have a sign that says "No spikes past this point." They can make any rules they want. It is up to you to decide if you still wish to use their services and abide by their rules.
 
Good Evening Everyone-

One2gofst, exactly!. The golf club informs you of what is permitted in their club...you then decide whether to switch to allowable footwear or have lunch in your own kitchen wearing your spikes...in the buff. :eek:

Don't even get me going on the theaters that "inspect" your bags and purses looking for "weapons" being brought into the movies. So, what is the pimply-faced 16-year-old going to do when he spots the Microtech SOCOM in my bag, anyway? Detain me?

The sheeple in our midst need to get a grip. And quick.

Thanks, everyone.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Originally posted by Blue Jays
Good Evening Everyone-

Don't even get me going on the theaters that "inspect" your bags and purses looking for "weapons" being brought into the movies. So, what is the pimply-faced 16-year-old going to do when he spots the Microtech SOCOM in my bag, anyway? Detain me?
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Do they do this now? Sorry...haven't been to the movies in over a year...
 
Imagine that...putting your safety and the safety of your family in the hands of teenagers.:eek:

HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,!!!!!!!!!

What do ya think would be next,
making the teenager taking your ticket stub a federal employee???:rolleyes:
 
If you all ever get to Branson, Mo you can drop by "Silver Dollar City". Bring your blades, or stop by the "KNIFE AND GUN SHOP" and pick up a huge bowie and carry that. Also watch Ray Kirk, ABS master Bladesmith forge right in front of you. They also have a shooting range for black powder rifles. Oh yeah, roller coasters, and lots of water rides too.

Disclaimer: I have not performed there since 1999. Things may have changed...Check thier website or call.
 
imagine the nightmare when and if the Feds ever "federalize" the airports. They first had to Form a new agency (TAS), now that it has been so formed, each airport needs a "Director of security" (DOS). Then each DOS will need to hire Supervisors to hire and train screeners. The supervisors are to be known as (SWATS). The SWATS will then hire and train the new federal screeners, known as (SAS). Some will just be SAS. some will have Law enforcement authority and be known as SAS/LEO

Now, considering the Feds allowed the FAA to handle the Air Marshal progran (FAM), and they are no where near the numbers necessary to cover even 15% of the domestic flights currently, and have a backlog of over 30,000 prospective employees currently,and no one available to perform this function yet, by the time they get to hiring "Federal Screeners", we shall have all died of old age. Now if our Government cannot manage the new wave of security, picture Disney-world.......

The same has happened at the theme parks, Ball-fields, arenas, and any other place where people in mass gather. Security is no better now, then it was on 09/11, just more expensive, more intrusive, and boy does it look purty on paper. The reality is that another act of terror shall happen, the only question is WHERE.

In the meantime, it is the good citizens that always get screwed because we try to voluntarily comply with the "Law". Those who care little of the Law, care even less about the current trend in security. If you wish to sneak a knife somewhere, you can be successful. It you want to be a "good citizen", you will see the sign that prohibits it and leave your knife/gun/tool/tweezers in the car. On Private proerty, we are "invitees" and if we don't like the rules, we just do not accept the "invitation."

And sadly you can rarely, if ever rely on the police for it is a reactionary system of protection. Unless a Police officer happens to be in the right place at that exact second in time, you are going to have to fend for yourself until the police have been called and REACT to the call for assistance. By the time they arrive, IT'S OVER. I personally would think it sucked to be caught in a bad situation and find myself without the appropriate tools because the sign said NO.

But only life for the good have changed, the "terrorists" have noticed very little that is different for them. Now they just need to exercise a little more caution, but they certainly are not out of business, but our second amendment rights will be..........
 
It's a shame that we can't organize an effective boycott. The only way to influence business is to affect its pocketbook. State legislators could pass specific liability statues that would make parks directly liable, with no excuses, if one needed to use a knife to extricate themselves from a broken ride or for some other emergency. I am guilty of complaining without taking any action. Maybe it's time that we all stood up for our rights and took political action.
 
Parks don't realize that it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Raging liberal anti-self reliance types cannot imagine people not being saved in an emergency situation. If someone got a foot ripped off because their shoelace got cuaght in a ride and that person had his knife taken at the gate, can you imagine the lawsuits that park would have leveled against it? not only from that individual, but from all others who claim to have knives taken since after they event they experienced vast mental anguish thinking that it could have been them or their children. How much more likely is someone to be injure or killed due to the lack of a knife than is someone to be injured or killed with that knife? Theme parks should do a study on it rather than focus groups on how much people are willing to pay for a hot dog.
 
Good Evening Everyone-

One2gofst, you make a good point about making the analysis of whether there is a greater benefit or greater liability associated with presence of knives (or any controversial item for that matter) in public venues.

In 1999, my frequently-carried BM Mini-AFCK was sterilized and then used to pick gravel from a young girl's knee before the wound was bandaged. Hopefully, any passersby might have some positive thoughts about the utility of a knife that can be opened with one hand.

How about the lawsuit from the people who challenge, "I could have and would have helped extricate that person from the rollercoaster engine gears but I couldn't cut their shoelace/sleeve/pants/hair/etc. because my rescue tool was confiscated at the gate...."

Wow, I wish I had scads of time on my hands to litigate. :cool:

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
I think its funny that knives would be considered a controversial item. Firearms are a controversial item. Some people believe strongly that they should be in every home while others think they belong in no homes. Knives on the other hand are in every home in America. Hell of a controversial item. They could ban all knives but "kitchen knives" Want to know what would happen? Makers would start to make kitchen knives with tactical aspects. I would go everywhere with a brand new kitchen knife in its box in case I ever need it. People make rules without any thought as to what the laws will actually accomplish. They go by what they think sounds right. Guess what, if buisnesses went by "what sounds right" rather than following economic models they would go bankrupt. These decisions are no different. Make poor decisions about these matters and when a bad time happens you will find yourself "out of buisness" just like the company that makes poor economic decisions.
 
Sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. I just got back from Orlando. Did Disney's Magic Kingdom and Blizzard Beach, WetnWild and Universals Islands of Adventure. I was greeted at the gate by a bag search. Who in their right mind keeps a pocket knife in their bag. I guess it's a good thing they didn't ask to frisk:eek: :rolleyes: me!

~Mitch
 
I know I'm awakening a LONG dead thread here, but I'm going to Universal in a few days and carry some kind of tool with an edge EVERYWHERE, and considering I'm going as a guest it'd be a shame to be the cause of them having to go home. Anyone know how things are regarding knives at this point?
 
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