Knives then and now

not2sharp

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Our knives and our methods and objectives in using knives seem to have undergone a major evolutionary, or is it revolutionary, change during the 1980s. That was when cutting tools came to be increasingly described by terms like "tactical" and "survival" and less by more traditional terms like "sportsman"or "hunting". To be sure, movies like First Blood popularized those hollow handled survival knives. But, I would argue that this was just a reflection of the changes driven by the fast growing custom knife making market. The old language came to be associated with traditional factory products while the new reflected the innovations introduced by many thousands of independent makers. We were at the height of the cold war then so perhaps it should be expected that we would choose to label our favorite toys and tools with military sounding jargon.

Well the 80s are long gone and those of us who grew up in the era of public nuclear fallout shelters have grown old, but the split between traditional and moderns knives continues to expand at an ever faster pace. No longer are we taking our trusty hatchets to tend to our camp fires. That task is now handled by big hulking knives made from ever more magical sounding steels which we beat on mercilessly with heavy batons. Those with a more artistic bend are now more likely to pick up a dremel tool than a whittling knife, and for even stranger reasons there seems to be a growing demand for knives that can be used to defend against zombies.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not knocking any of this. I am glad that even as the diversity of ethnographic knives solidifies into a finite number, new varieties are created by our own imagination and technological advances. But, I thought it would be interesting to discuss how you believe these undercurrents have been driving these changes. Perhaps the industry has simply embraced that the majority of us now live in vast urban centers far away from a country boy's way of life.

let's discuss.

n2s
 
The knives follow the money. Odd, or so it sounds at first. Makers make knives for money and in doing so have to make knives that will sell. It is a self feeding cycle. Times change, but making knives to sell doesn't change. In my imagination my grand kids might have mini light saber knives, and makers will be producing them as fast as they can to cash in.
 
I been out of the loop for a couple years, but I remember when everything went flat grind.

I miss hollow grind in good steel at 15 degrees on a pocket knife.
Also miss Tradition style one blade lock backs are gone to in good steel. Wish I'd bought a Stretch before the price got so high...:-(

Btw I'm looking for a Fallkniven TK4 if anyone got one
 
After the fantasy of a zombie apocalypse wears off, most people come to the realization that a thin blade in either carbon or ss will cut almost anything they actually encounter in real life.
I think people are highly susceptible to advertising. At the behest of their clients, advertisers try to create trends and everyone tries to capitalize on that new trend. It maybe Rambo style knives at one point then ram's horn traditional, followed up by titanium flippers. What ever sells.
 
IMO, the market is being dictated by the younger demographic demand. Generation X,Y,Z whichever one it is now, is the prevailing force on what's being offered in today's market. I honestly don't think it will ever come full circle again because there's just too many great knives to choose from that even us old farts have more options than ever before. Right now, I'm sporting CRK's, T.A. Davison, Shirogorov and ZT's as well as older knives. What more could a knife knut ask for ???
 
The thing I get tired of is hype over every new super steel. People complain these days about S30V, 154cm, and VG-10. I remember when high end Spyderco like the Viele and Jess Horn Signature were AUS8 and I once had a Zytel handled, GIN-1 Benchmade. Heck, a I think the BM Bali-Song I had back in the Eighties and Nineties was Sandvik 12c27. My point is that people kept those "lesser" bladed steels for years depending on how hard they used the knife, and that is the case with any knife.
 
For coming back to the hobby after being absent 30 years, I don't feel there is a greater variety today than there was then: Just look at an old 1980s copy of Bernard Levine's Guide to Knives, and you will see real variety.

Today 90% of the interest seems to center on blades 3-5 inches long, in two categories: Framelock folders in various stainless "supersteels", and, for a smaller market, "Bushcraft" fixed blade knives in carbon steels, both leaning to the overbuilt/overly thick side: That is not variety...

My interest is towards Hollow Handles with blades over 10"x 2"x 1/4", preferably in stainless, and there is basically nothing to buy... Even plain large choppers in stainless are rare to non-existent, if you don't count INFI...

I also like daggers over 7" in blade with stick tangs and light synthetic handles: What a surprise: Zip, Nada etc...

This is all great for my wallet, but don't tell me there is variety...

Gaston
 
Tabarnak Gaston, you hatin' on all this knife flava we enjoy today? It's like anything else, cars, firearms, washing machines, the models that exist today are obviously going to be different. They had variety back then and they got variety today.
 
Is Gaston French Canadian ?

Tabarnak Gaston, you hatin' on all this knife flava we enjoy today? It's like anything else, cars, firearms, washing machines, the models that exist today are obviously going to be different. They had variety back then and they got variety today.
 
I was ranting about this yesterday. It is easy to get caught up in cool flippers and super steels, but end up with knives that have cutting geometry too thick for the sort of tasks most of us want a knife to perform.
My best guess would be that a thick piece of steel needs at least an inch to get thin towards the cutting edge, but the only reason I see for them being thicker is so they can market them as ultra tactical and bad ass.
 
The thing I get tired of is hype over every new super steel. ....

It's funny how we can have knives in our collections, which were made over 100 years ago using very basic steels, and which obviously have been used hard for generations and are still going strong, yet we demand the latest magical super steels. Perhaps we expect to live forever, or, as is more likely, there is an implied promise that you will never need to sharpen the knife within your lifetime if you go with a really super duper steel.

n2s
 
It's funny how we can have knives in our collections, which were made over 100 years ago using very basic steels, and which obviously have been used hard for generations and are still going strong, yet we demand the latest magical super steels. Perhaps we expect to live forever, or, as is more likely, there is an implied promise that you will never need to sharpen the knife within your lifetime if you go with a really super duper steel.

n2s

Well said.
 
I think the advertising for bigger, thicker, super steel, tacti-cool has dominated the knife business because they promise to endure anything forever. That is appealing but the reality is seasoned knife enthusiasts usually prefer thinner geometries and classic steels that are easy to maintain. (Locking mechanisms are optional).
I guess we have to endure the fads, no matter how persistent, to get innovation. There was a knife business before Buck, Spyderco and Benchmade but what would our knife world be without the 110, Spydie hole and Axis lock? I'm sure some people didn't think these would stand the test of time but they did. I'll put my money on thin slicey goodness for the win. At least in my house.
 
My best guess would be that a thick piece of steel needs at least an inch to get thin towards the cutting edge, but the only reason I see for them being thicker is so they can market them as ultra tactical and bad ass.
I think they market them as do all take all knives. Theoretically throw anything at them and they keep on going. Some are a bit ridiculous and some leave ridiculous in the dust.

Op's comment on bomb shelters reminded me of school -they would tell us to get under our desks in case of nuclear attack. Lucky that theory was never tested.
 
I really didn't pay much attention to the knife market in the 80's other than I was still using a Schrade 250T (two blade along the lines of the Buck 110) and that's when I got my very first Vic SAK. I had all the folding knives that I needed and essentially no fixed blades. Never thought I needed one... BUT, what happened in the 80's for me.... my first introduction to Randall knives. By 1990, I was buying Randalls and other fixed blade that I dubbed "survival" knives and a few customs. I was attending the Blade Show in 1991 and other knife shows. The knife black hole opened wide....

Marketing had a great deal to do with what many chose. I always lusted for a couple of the Rambo knives. But they influenced what I bought.

I believe this is the time when things like frame locks, arc and axis lock came into being (90's) and Spyderco, SOG, Gerber, and Cold Steel were making an impact in the market. The era of modern knives began, but I really didn't notice much until the mid-1990's.
 
It's funny how we can have knives in our collections, which were made over 100 years ago using very basic steels, and which obviously have been used hard for generations and are still going strong, yet we demand the latest magical super steels. Perhaps we expect to live forever, or, as is more likely, there is an implied promise that you will never need to sharpen the knife within your lifetime if you go with a really super duper steel.

n2s
You said it pretty well.
Modern and high tech can be cool, but there will always be something to be said about the classy and classic kind of cool knives that get the job done without being too excessive. ( is old school and traditional )
Obviously a tank of a modern folder can handle a lot of abuse, but if one can learn to use the right tool for the job there are tons of much thinner blades that cut a lot better.
 
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