Knives vs guns when entering police dept

Leo Greer said:
For example, why do you believe it's a natural human right to be able to bear arms? Where do you believe human rights come from?
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In this case, from your inalienable right to life, which is fragile and meaningless if you have no way to defend it.

Some people equate the term “inalienable” with “absolute”, but I disagree. Since the right to life is (or should be) common to all of us, a person who deliberately takes or attempts to take the life of another has waived his own claim to the same right by that act. I think inalienable means the right is held individually by each human, as a property of their being human, that others should respect contingent on their individual responsibility to respect the same right of others. This concept is a basic building block of American society. Or was, at one time.

Rights are not tangible things, they are a mental construct for the purpose of creating and living in a free (or at least as free as possible) society. They only work among those who have agreed to abide by them.

There are always others who don’t agree, who live by the law of the jungle. When one of them attempts to take your life, if you can’t defend your life, then it’s game over for you. If that happens often enough, we’ll all be back in the jungle, where the big ones eat the little ones and only the most ruthless can survive.

Some moderator is gonna spank me for saying this here. S’okay, I deserve it. I knew the rules.

Parker
 
catspa said:
In this case, from your inalienable right to life, which is fragile and meaningless if you have no way to defend it.

Some people equate the term “inalienable” with “absolute”, but I disagree. Since the right to life is (or should be) common to all of us, a person who deliberately takes or attempts to take the life of another has waived his own claim to the same right by that act. I think inalienable means the right is held individually by each human, as a property of their being human, that others should respect contingent on their individual responsibility to respect the same right of others. This concept is a basic building block of American society. Or was, at one time.

Rights are not tangible things, they are a mental construct for the purpose of creating and living in a free (or at least as free as possible) society. They only work among those who have agreed to abide by them.

There are always others who don’t agree, who live by the law of the jungle. When one of them attempts to take your life, if you can’t defend your life, then it’s game over for you. If that happens often enough, we’ll all be back in the jungle, where the big ones eat the little ones and only the most ruthless can survive.

Some moderator is gonna spank me for saying this here. S’okay, I deserve it. I knew the rules.

Parker
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I agree with you. Though I would modify the opinion very slightly, I see your general sentiment.

Haven't been around long enough to tell if mods will get involved... I have a feeling that it heavily depends on how respectable all parties involved are being.
 
We’re not supposed to post political content in this part of the forum. If a mod considers this political, he/she will delete it, or edit out the political part, or scold me for posting it.

In which case I’ll apologize, and we’ll have to converse by PM or email or some other way if the conversation wants to continue.

Parker
 
Joopie said:
A couple years I went to the police department building renew my concealed carry permit. I went without a firearm but did have a folding manual knife. Upon entering the building, I dumped the contents of my pockets into the tray and slid it over to the other side of the metal detector. Behind the security area was a row of lots of little lockboxes for stowing handguns and it was marked as such. Guard picked up the knife, opened it, and told me I can't bring it in.

Me: "Err, could you stow it in one of those lock boxes?"

Guard: "No, that's only for guns."

Me: "So, you're saying I can walk in here with a gun, slide it over to you, and you stow it in one of those boxes?"

Guard: "Yes."

Me: "But not a knife?"

Guard: "Right."

Me: "Okay, so... pretend my knife is a gun." (I was trying to fish for a distaste of stupid rules)

Guard: "Can't do that."

Me: "I'm here to renew a carry permit. Are you sure you can't work with me here?"

Guard: "No."

So I sighed and walked back a couple blocks to my car, hid the knife away, and returned. I just thought that was very strange that I could go into a "secure" location with a gun and have it stowed upon entry, but couldn't do the same with a knife.
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Next time, carry both a gun and knife w/you so that u can use the locker.
 
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