Knob Creek suked or now I want a black rifle!

I wish you were close enough that I could sell you my Colt National Match... I never use it:grumpy: :grumpy:
 
I have three AR-15's. One is a 1980's Colt with the old style sight. The other
is a Bushy and the third is a complete Double Star M4 that I built myself. All
black on black.
 
G19G26 said:
Really had a great time at Knob Creek. The only thing is now I want a "black rifle". I've got a really good Mini-14, but there seeme to be a yen for another .223.

What is a good AR15 clone? I've shot just about all other rifle styles, but never before gave these a second look. I don't need a 1MOA at 300yard rifle, just something to go plinking with.
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I'm not one of the HOGs, but I do know a little about ARs and I can't mind my own business, so I'm butting-in! :D

First of all, congratulations on awakening to the reality that you (and all other Americans) need a Homeland Defense Rifle. You've made the first step, and we're proud of you.

Second, while some of the other weapons mentioned are nice guns (like the HK93 or the new SIG 556), they are something you should get after you fulfill your obigation as an American to own at least one fully-functional AR. I think you realize this, so you're on the right track.

Third, what you get should be determined on its potential use. You mentioned plinking, but you might also want to consider what other uses you might have. Home and personal defense? NRA High Power and/or DCM competition? Practical rifle and 3-gun? Hunting? Fortunately for you, even if your first choice does not meet all of your needs, the AR is the ultimate in modularity and you can acquire different top ends or even whole rifles to suit all of your needs.

Unless you know for sure you're going to shoot NRA competitions where a service rifle configuation is necessary, I'd go with a flat top with a 16 inch, lightweight or M4-style barrel with a 5.56x45mm chamber (not .223), collapsible stock, etc. It will be the most versatile for a variety of uses, plus lighter and handier to carry and use for all of them. Also, make sure you get a make/model with a chrome lined (different from chrome moly steel barrel) barrel and chamber, as it will save you many headaches over the time you own your gun.

As far brands go, the standard is Colt's. All of the manufacturers can and do make excellent rifles, but Colt's quality control makes it more likely that one you get will be one of those "good ones," especially in terms of the small parts. The QA/QC inspections done on their bolts, for instance, is very good, whereas some other sellers seem to be using rejects in their complete rifles (as evidenced by the number of bolt failures after a modest number of rounds fired). Colt's, however, come with a heftier price tag.

At a better price point and probably on the same level in terms of quality is Rock River. I've also heard good things about Stag, and I suspect they will assume a place among the top brands when they've been on the market a while longer.

Bushmaster is usually very good (I've got two).

Armalite is next on the list.

I would avoid DPMS and Olympic Arms for a variety of reasons.

There are others, of course, but if I were buying a gun today, I'd probably get a Rock River or a Bushmaster. The Bushmaster Superlight Carbine is an example of the ideal general purpose AR in my opinion.
 
This will be my next rifle:

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SA M1A Socom


I fondle it like a teenage boy doing the slow dance everytime Im in the gun shop. Boingoingoing!
 
J_Curd said:
This will be my next rifle:

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SA M1A Socom


I fondle it like a teenage boy doing the slow dance everytime Im in the gun shop. Boingoingoing!
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Had one. Accuracy wasn't great and man is it a loud dust throwing beast:thumbdn:

My .02

Bob Mills
 
Pat Rogers and others over on 10-8 Forums have had some negative things to say regarding DPMS. Here's a thread.

For straight up no frills ARs, I'd go Colt or Stag. If Stag, then I'd also get a 1/7" twist barrell to put in it. If you want to go big from the get-go, I'd go with a Noveske N4. I have a Recon in 5.56 and an Infidel upper in 6.8. Awesome rifles.:D
 
Tango-Papa said:
Not highly recommended.
There are several other brands that will serve you much, much better.
LMT, Rock River, Bushmaster to name a few.
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Looking at that link above, that makes sense.
I am better off with an old Chinese SKS than a M4 with a split firing pin. :rolleyes:
 
The comments I see about the Colt make me happy.

Four or 5 years ago, a buddy had to take in his grand kids and had to come up with some $$$. Being a good guy :grumpy: I gave him a pot load of $$$ for a bunch of his guns.

One is an unfired Colt match target competition and three 30 round clips.. Its just been living in the safe in its unfired condition, I guess waithing on the up coming war with Mexico :rolleyes: Got so much in it that I haven' t even tried to sell or trade it. So far it hasn't gotten into a fight with the mini14 stainless ranch standing next to it. :rolleyes:

Cool words guys!! Maybe I'll break it out one of these days and play with it.
 
Pack Rat said:
The comments I see about the Colt make me happy.

Four or 5 years ago, a buddy had to take in his grand kids and had to come up with some $$$. Being a good guy :grumpy: I gave him a pot load of $$$ for a bunch of his guns.

One is an unfired Colt match target competition and three 30 round clips.. Its just been living in the safe in its unfired condition, I guess waithing on the up coming war with Mexico :rolleyes: Got so much in it that I haven' t even tried to sell or trade it. So far it hasn't gotten into a fight with the mini14 stainless ranch standing next to it. :rolleyes:

Cool words guys!! Maybe I'll break it out one of these days and play with it.
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They are magazines not clips. Being a gun nut that is one of my pet peeves.
 
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