Krupp 4116 Steel

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morgoth

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I have looked at the threads related to this Steel and half say its rubbish the other half say its great for what it is.
I have just bought a couple of Cold Steel knives with this Steel, they are mainly for general Camp use and some Kitchen work.
Finn Bear, Canadian Belt Knife and the Roach Belly.
Have I made a mistake or are they good all rounders for the money.
They were not expensive, all three for less than $30.00
Is the Steel as good as I would find in most Kitchen Knives?
 
the mora's in stainless have better steel than the krupp. for the same price.

the mora's have been proven over the last 50 yrs.at least...... the CS knives have been out maybe 1yr?

Bill
 
Mora's have a blade style that does not suit me, they remind me of my fishing knife when I was young.
No doubt they are quality though.
 
thats the review i was looking for. thanks for posting the link. good honest hands on review.

he actually had to stop the testing of the finn bear.
 
Thanks for the replies.
Are "Mora's" all made from the same steel?
In the posted review he mentioned he thought it was a Sandvic steel, which one would that be and are they all the same or is there many varieties?
 
there's carbon and stainless and laminated. all the stainless mora's are made from Sandvik steel. its a highly regarded steel. ragweedforge.com is THE place to buy Scandi knives.

i like the #746 on his site. BTW....frost and erickkson have merged and are the same company now. one is just as good as the other.

the most popular mora's are the 510....clippers....2000....and the 700 series.

if you want something a little nicer looking....look at karesuando or bruselleto on the same site. i own a karesuando along with the mora 746. the karesuando looks a lot nicer but the mora is its equivalent functionally.

there are aftermarket sheaths available for the mora's.

none are needed for karesuando or bruselleto :)
 
4116 is perfectly satisfactory cutlery steel. Enjoy your knives and don't look for approval here.
 
morgoth said:
I have looked at the threads related to this Steel and half say its rubbish the other half say its great for what it is.
I have just bought a couple of Cold Steel knives with this Steel, they are mainly for general Camp use and some Kitchen work.
Finn Bear, Canadian Belt Knife and the Roach Belly.
Have I made a mistake or are they good all rounders for the money.
They were not expensive, all three for less than $30.00
Is the Steel as good as I would find in most Kitchen Knives?
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I have those same three knives. The Roach Belly and Canadian Belt Knife are all in my kitchen knife block and we use them regulary. My Fin Bear is in my Tackle box. We use all three and like them a lot in the kitchen for different tasks. To me they work great and hold an edge just fine. If you already purchased them use them and let us know what you think. The opinion of someone who has never used them or owned them does not wiegh much with me but if someone used them or owned them and could explain exactly why and not just use a blanket statement then that would hold some weight with me. They would not work that well as a survival knife for me but for the tackle box and the kitchen they are fantastic and I have owned knives made out of 420 that cost more and did not cut as good as these three.
 
morgoth said:
Thanks for the replies.
Are "Mora's" all made from the same steel?
In the posted review he mentioned he thought it was a Sandvic steel, which one would that be and are they all the same or is there many varieties?
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The SS line of Frosts sports Sandvik 12C27, HRC 58-59. The carbon steel Frosts is UHB 20C (eq. to AISI 1095), cold rolled and heat treated to 59-61 HRC. Other carbon steel used: German C.D. Wälzholz-Brockhaus GmbH CK 101 and CK 95, cold rolled, HRC 60.

The laminated steel core in models from Frosts are made of Uddeholm 2140 (eq. to AISI O1), HRC 60-62.

The standard SS from KJ Eriksson (Mora of Sweden) is Sandvik 12C27M (Modified), HRC 58.

KJE’s carbon steel is Uddeholm UHB15LM (eq. To AISI 1778) and DIN CK 75/80 (eq. to AISI 1080), both steels HRC 58.

The Hultafors SS series i japanese AUS-8 and the carbon variant is SK-5 (eq. to AISI 1080).

~Paul~
 
4116 krupp stainless is a good steel .my cold steel UWK is strong & sharp its a user like all my knives....& a rockwell 56-57 its very good ,easy to sharpen & flexible its a good value
 
I got the roach belly for the same reason...cheap. I just wanted to try out that blade design. So far is seems very good. The very sharp tips looks to be very well suited for cleanning birds, I'll have to wait for fall to really try it out tho.
 
Yeah, I agree. That's a good way to put it, good enough. Unless you spent half your trip cut everything with 2 knifes side by side, you'll be hard press the tell the difference. A $3 pocket stone will keep them use able, even on longer trips. Useless you're out TRYING to break it, I think you'll be happy with them

My dad bought a 2 blade SAK for himself when he got his first got at 15. He had that knife EVERYDAY until about 10 yrs ago when I got him a spyderco ladybug which they have nevered parted since. I think we on this forum sometimes thinks too much about slight difference and make HUGE deals out of them. But then I guess that's why we're knife nutz.
 
IUKE12 said:
I'd prefer to have a knife that performs better, than one that looks better.
Check out this review http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=530899
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That seems to be a very fair and thorough review, well written too.

I have a Finn Bear and Roach Belly. Had a pile of Moras for years, and I definitely reckon they're a notch above, but it's also nice to try something different too - especially when it comes this cheap :)
 
What I find attractive in the Roach Belly is the blade geometry. Im my mind it is perfect for gutting fish and small game. I also like the pointy tip, the lanyard hole and the fact that the knife is so light.

The only issue I have whith the RB is the handle which I find too small in my avarage sized hand.

~Paul~
 
dePaul said:
What I find attractive in the Roach Belly is the blade geometry. Im my mind it is perfect for gutting fish and small game. I also like the pointy tip, the lanyard hole and the fact that the knife is so light.
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Yes, I like the intergral guard too.
 
Thinking about buying a cold steel pocket bushman..... blade hq has it for $28.. which seems to be a good deal, as I have never been dissapointed with their products... however im not familiar with the krupp 4116 steel... ill probably use it for hiking n such,,, kinda like a pocket bushcrafter (minus any batoning)... any thoughts...??? Will I be pleased or dissapointed... I currently use a cold steel voyager as my pocket bushcrafter (and I DO baton with it)..... thanks.....
 
From my experience 4116 is basically 420HC in how it performs. Nothing amazing, but nothing bad. It is an amazingly... acceptable steel.
 
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