KZ, TTKZ, or KZII?

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First, I apologize for any redundancy in this post, and fear I may be BBQ'd Hog on a Spit after this.

I am in the market for a Killa Zilla, but have yet to see any real conclusive comparison between the 3 versions. Please share any opinions and/or comparison pics you have between the KZ, TTKZ, and KZII (or any more if there are any I missed). Thanks in advance!
 
welcome home,

the killa was a very nice large piece of steel. i have heard most people had a hard time holding on to it in a full swing. when it hit the target the recoil was bad because of the grip.

the killa 2 seem's to be a little easier to maintain, hence the TT. if we do not try new stuff we will be forever searching for a cure. i like the shape of the k2 and the reduction in blade bounce.

someone will be along shortly to help ya.
 
Down at Knob Creek they had some Killa Zillas, and personally, I thought they felt amazing and I didn't mind the weight (it is one hell of a knife)

Killa Zilla 2s have a more straightened handle and the edge is ground differently (I recall people saying the test teams' edge geometry wasn't that great)


There was a FULL review done a while back that had comparison pictrues for chopping, and specs; and for the life of me I can't find that thread :confused:

I found the sneak pic thread though:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s....-.-.(Sneak-Peek)-.-.-.?highlight=Killa+Zilla
 
go to google.com and type in "busse's newer khukuri vs. their test team design", you'll find a post by me on ramanon that visually compares the TTKZ and the cg kzII. There is no "kz" by it'self, only TTKZ, KZII, and KZIILE.
 
My thoughts: I've own all three of the Killa Zilla line including the test team: the KZII I thought the handle was way too long and did not give the correct feel unless you really pushed your hand up to the guard area; in the middle, there is way to much play area between the front grip and the back. > sold it. the TTKZ was nice, but KZ are very heavy, but the TTKZ handle was a bit narrow for a really good grip. I bought a nice orange/black KZ at the last knob creek that has a much larger rounded grip and feels realy good in the hand, but again, it has some serious weight to it.. a beautiful blade.
 
I have extensive experience with the KZ II. The handle is a bit long and fbusmc is right you have to hold it very high to get a good grip on it. I cord wrapped it and it somewhat alleviated the problem. The edge geometry is also very poor. You will have to do some work to get the factory edge to where it will chop with authority. The KZ II is by far the best chopper I have ever owned and with a refined edge it will blast through just about anything. From what I hear the KZ II chops better than the test team.

If you want the king of all choppers get the KZ II. It is extremely powerful but beware when you get a knife that big with Micarta slabs your hand and arm will be sore until you get used to it. Also look into the NMFBM if you like the classic bowie shape.
 
I wasn't sure if posting a cross forum post is okay, if it's not I will certainly remove the link.
http://www.ramanon.com/forum/showthread.php?79158-busse-s-newer-khukuri-vs.-their-test-team-design

heres a truncated version of that thread:

The TTKZ is thinner right at the edge, and thinner stock thicknes at the spine, but it's grind geometry is a much fatter convex. The first part of the bite will sink in better with a ttkz, but it will stop about 1/2 way into the blade because of how fat the grind is. The KZII is more likely to sink deeper, as long as you give it a more acute edge.
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Roughly the same size, but with a variety of different features that make the chopping experience. Next to it is a custom-handled 18" HI Ang khola. People will say "omg the kz's are so huge", well... not really.
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Even though, yes, they are big, they are not nearly as thick as most standard Nepalese khukuries:
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and with an average size of 18-20" for 'dedicated chopper' models, they are average in their overall dimensions, just with a lot more metal in the handle.

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Here are the three handles:
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handle shapes:
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One important difference, the TTKZ has rounded corners everywhere. The KZII doesn't have "sharp" corners, they are slightly rounded at the edge, but they are much much sharper then the TTKZ. They will bite into your hand if you try to chop with it holding it there.
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Another example of the sharp corners, this time at the ricasso.
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gratuitous shot:
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tips
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The TTKZ has a finer tip, but the KZII takes longer to get to full thicknss, it has a more acute flatter overal grind even though it's thicker right after the edge.
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Handle side by side
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The KZII allows you to 'roll' the handle in your hand, letting you 'snap' the blade with your wrist, where the TTKZ is locked solid no matter where you have it positioned
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Difference in handle positions. The KZII gives you a better up/down position versatility - but the pommel flare makes it brutal on the wrist/palm. You will be more comfortable holding up in the up position, which requires more muscle endurance because you have to hold it against slipping into the down position. That said, you only get one real grip with the TTKZ, so if your arms going to give out it'll give out without a whole lot of options for moving your grip to a less-strenuous position. Not shown here is a "chocked up" grip where you finger is where the choil would have been - the KZII is better for that grip because it's less tall. The TTKZ is really, really tall at the ricasso which makes it hard to hold in that position.
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Options for getting a better knife out of both models (in my opinion) -
-Send the TTKZ in to have it's grind flattened and thinned out by garth
-Grind down/sand down the sharp corners of the KZII handle slabs
-Send the KZ2 in to have it's pommel flare removed by garth
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and just for the sake of having it, here is the TTKZ next to a NMFBM handle
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I don't have a KZIILE to compare these to. I'm not sure what the difference between the CG and LE versions are, if the edge is thinner or if the grind is any different.

If I had to give advice on which one to get....
-If you want an 'ultimate chopper' go with the TTKZ, especially if your willing to send it in for a thinned out main grind. It's got a more solid handle shape and it's got a heavier chopper profile, more like a ganga ram.
-If you want versatility, go with the KZII. It's handle lets you take three grips, choked up, up and down (chocked back). The choked up grip is important if your going to be doing small stuff like taking the leaves off a palm frond or taking twigs off a branch for processing, if you tried to do such small work in the normally full grip your wrist would get worn out much to quickly.
 
From the links I did above and from LVC's posts you should have a good idea of the plus points for the TTKZ and KZII ... but there is another option ... the Nuclear TTKZ ...

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These are lighter because of the metal removed to give the serrations ... have the benefit of the TTKZ grips ... and chop as good as either the TTKZ or the KZII ... albeit you may need to sharpen the edge to give an ideal convex profile ...

They are very expensive ... but compared to owning many knives which create a high total investment ... and not having the "ultimate" in performance and light weight ... they are then worth considering ... :thumbup:
 
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I have a TTKZ. As stated above, the profile was not great for chopping; it got fat too quickly behind the edge. After a trip back the the Shop, and some work by Garth, it is much improved. Now it is roughly equal to my CG NMFBM, which has been stripped and and had the edge thinned and convexed.
 
OH< BUT the Basic 11 is one of the sweetest and fastest of the bunch! and the cheapest :)
 
Thank you Hogs for the wonderfully informative write-ups, reviews, and sharing your opinions! I really do appreciate it! I think I am leaning towards the TTKZ as those handles look dreamy, and I quite like the heavier feel of the classic Kukri's from Nepal, so I don't think the blade heavy feel will bother me as much as the handle issues of the KZII. I don't think I could afford the Nuclear TTKZ, but would love to get one. That is one sweet look hunk of Infi! One question about the Nucelar, how sharp are the spine and the serrations?
 
The spine serrations on the Nuclear Zilla are very sharp ... sharp enough to stick the blade into a stump by the spine and use the main edge of the blade for delicate tasks such as field cleaning small bird game ... or you can use this option to assist in heavy battoning by being able to start the task with heavy strikes to the base of a log ... here is a pic to show you what I mean ...

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The spine is also very helpful when wanting to use the knife as a machete for clearing thin wispy branches which are hard to get enough "contact" on ... and also for using things like a ferro rod for starting fires ... the serrations are sharp enough to throw a great shower of sparks ...
 
... or you can use this option to assist in heavy battoning by being able to start the task with heavy strikes to the base of a log ... here is a pic to show you what I mean ...

Sorry, even with the pic, I'm having trouble understanding this. Are you planting the KZ in the bottom log, then hitting the top log with a baton to baton through it using the KZ's main edge?
 
Yes ... then once started like that and the knife is in the log ... turn it the other way round and baton the base of the log against the stump with the knife inside and it splits down the log easily ...
 
Sorry, even with the pic, I'm having trouble understanding this. Are you planting the KZ in the bottom log, then hitting the top log with a baton to baton through it using the KZ's main edge?

Yes, you are using both the force of the baton hitting it and the weight of the log to split it, instead of the the force of the baton hitting it plus the (lesser) weight of the knife.
 
Test team handle with a KZ II blade would be about perfect.

The TT with a thinned out blade would be pretty cool
 
LVC has explained it better as to the advantage of this technique ... using the weight of the stump to assist in splitting it ... works a treat ... :thumbup:
 
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