Ladies & Gentleman meet a 100% fake Spyderco Military

[dr_fosg8]

To the OP thanks for the detailed pics before you sent it back.

To those that think discussing the fake openly is a bad idea, think about this. The companies that are being ripped off by fakes are already manufacturing knives in China already,(for the most part). So, if they can produce the knives they are supposed to be making to the companies QC standards that means they have the technology and equipment,(probably partly funded by company being faked). So all they need is a real knife and given enough time they will perfect it, cheaper, bottom line.

Buy from authorized dealers if you really want to support the company, bottom line.

 

[aquaman67]

The real dead giveaway is the price.

 

[amen74]

The places making these counterfeit knives know they aren't perfect. They have the real knife and are just doing their best to make a copy that the average consumer would never notice. Especially if they've never handled one before. We are not doing them any favors by making it informed here. They know the flaws and it seems they will only continue to get better.

 

[Rasco]

Again, I think they are only limited by their own available resources.
If they were using the same quality steel, the same quality machines, the same quality staff, etc, in theory they'd be producing what is basically the same quality knife, which would come with roughly the same price tag as an authentic Spyderco.

So what would be the point? The way they work is to go cheaper in every aspect so they can still make a profit selling it for half the price.

 

[Thomas Linton]

The places making these counterfeit knives know they aren't perfect. They have the real knife and are just doing their best to make a copy that the average consumer would never notice. Especially if they've never handled one before. We are not doing them any favors by making it informed here. They know the flaws and it seems they will only continue to get better.

I don't know if Bernard is correct on this issue. I lack the data. But someone should support that side to have the issue well teased out.


Do you assume that the same person or group procuring the manufacture of these fakes is also doing the manufacturing?

What if some importer, to use a neutral word, is having them made for him/it? Then they have the same QC issue anyone has who contracts out manufacturing.

Someone has to do the QC inspections in order to "improve" the product.

That would be you.

 

[Surfingringo]

There is iron in Thomas Linton's words.

 

[Barman1]

"Endeavor to persevere"

 

[Screwdriver]

I agree 100%.
I would say the only time you should even *consider* using eBay to buy a knife is if it's a sprint run, limited edition, or in some other way, NOT a standard production knife.
You're seriously going to risk getting ripped off to save $20 or $40 on a knife?
The standard black/satin Military can be found on DOZENS of sites at a reasonable price.

Spend a little bit more and buy from a reputable dealer. One bad move like this and you've negated any perceived "savings" you got over a more traditional retailer.

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This

I do use Ebay, but only for sprints. When the Stretch SB was released, I bought one on Ebay....It was a club numbered model. If it is a counterfeit that was copied that close to release, then I give up . I'll just wait for my yearly trips to visit the family in Golden and visit the mothership to buy future Spydies.

 

[Captain Howdy]

Some of the sellers on eBay are authorized dealers. I try to stick to them.

 

[D-R0CK]

Spyderco should assign two alphanumeric numbers to a knife at random, one on the blade and one on the scale, then catalog that combination in their computers, and let people use a website tool to check against the cataloged system for counterfeits. If each number was six digits or so long it would take weeks for the counterfeiters computers to guess even ONE combination at random. The chinese could never produce counterfeits in bulk if this system were used. Simple and relatively cheap to implement too, relative to actually fighting them in court and pursuing their manufacturing facilities. Fight smarter, not harder.

 

[KillaSkill]

Spyderco should assign two alphanumeric numbers to a knife at random, one on the blade and one on the scale, then catalog that combination in their computers, and let people use a website tool to check against the cataloged system for counterfeits. If each number was six digits or so long it would take weeks for the counterfeiters computers to guess even ONE combination at random. The chinese could never produce counterfeits in bulk if this system were used. Simple and relatively cheap to implement too, relative to actually fighting them in court and pursuing their manufacturing facilities. Fight smarter, not harder.

They'd use ONE good number and reproduce the knives. It would show on Spyderco that 09828 was a Military and that's what this guy is selling. Easily overcome.

Thanks to the OP for the pictures and description. Anything that helps future buyers is greatly appreciated!

 

[D-R0CK]

They'd use ONE good number and reproduce the knives. It would show on Spyderco that 09828 was a Military and that's what this guy is selling. Easily overcome.

Thanks to the OP for the pictures and description. Anything that helps future buyers is greatly appreciated!

But that's the thing: spyderco's website would just say "this combination has been searched for ___ times" and if it's 10,000, you know you have a problem. If it's a number lower than the number of people who have seen the ebay listing, you're probably good. AND, if the knife you get comes from a major ebay dealer and not someone selling just 1 knife, even better, because its number should never have been searched for before. And even assuming spyderco's website has literally NO security, each combination would take a computer 700 hours of nonstop data requests (1000 page requests every second) from their server (boy, that MIGHT be suspicious) to come up with! The odds of them getting even one before being detected are astronomical. And the serial would be more like 7G54DF4AN1. Check it here: https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm

Edit: Grammar

 

[Balls Deep]

Looks like we have some coders on our forums. I will say that is one ugly blade on the copy. I always find this topic fascinating when it comes up and it makes me wonder what the best scenarios are to combat fakes. Going through dealers is always the easy way but it seems like you generally see a combination of:
1. Make fakes more detailed increasing cost of fake and decreasing profit margin. Plan: faker puts self out of business
2. Educate masses as to existence of fakes and what to look for: Plan: Consumer puts faker out of business
3. Better international laws designed to go over fakers. Plan: legal system puts fakers of business.

I'm sure there's other ways to do it and a combination of all 3 is already going on. For companies who have had the most success combating fakes it would interesting to know what they're doing right, or if they're all having the same problems.

 

[Thomas Linton]

But it may turn out:

1. Force fakes to be more detailed: Plan: Faker can add details much cheaper than genuine maker. Genuine maker puts self out of business adding details.

2. Educate masses as to existence of fakes and what to look for: Plan: More and more fakes sold since public actually wants cheap imitations, putting genuine maker out of business.

3. Better international laws designed to go over fakers. Plan: we hope faker laughs to death in sympathetic vibration with China laughing at laws as they have for decades.