latest Scharade

I hear ya. They are no more than Chinese or American counterfeits right down to old-school tube packaging. He must know he is fooling people. Taylor is a con-artist imho.
 
Last edited:
....what a most unattractive knife at least the blades say..'its everwastingwy sharp'....did you see the washington bolster 2OT lookalikes in Rusty's post recently....
 
Not false advertising.Knife was made in New York U.S.A. for Smokey under license from Taylor Cutlery.It is in the licence box.
 
ww2bill said:
Not false advertising.Knife was made in New York U.S.A. for Smokey under license from Taylor Cutlery.It is in the license box.
Click to expand...

Made by Utica? Or made by Camillus? I think it is Utica, but not sure.
 
ww2bill said:
Utica Cutlery ,Utica NY. 315 733 4663 . No con going on.
Click to expand...

Big con! Schrade was more than a name. It was 4 generations of skilled American craftsman and women. Taylor put them all out of work. He makes replicas/copies of Schrade knives.

Taylor makes Taylor knives and though he can can legally stick the Schrade name on them that still doesn't mean Schrade is alive and well.

Taylor could have bought up everything like the Baers did and kept the American factories and Schrade cutlers working but he went to China and asked "Hey, can you manufacture these?".

Yes. a few are still manufactered in USA by others but not by Schrade cutlers. He also puts The American Flag on his Chinese-made knife boxes when the only thing that's American about them is Taylor's bank account.

I want to see new-Schrade fail miserably! Period.
 
I didn't mean to start a war. Just the facts, ma'am is all I ask. If they market some knives with Utica on them I might buy one.
 
Larry303 said:
....what a most unattractive knife at least the blades say..'its everwastingwy sharp'....did you see the washington bolster 2OT lookalikes in Rusty's post recently....
Click to expand...

Can someone point out the 2OT lookalikes to me?
I seem to have missed them - not that I want one!:p

Notice the "Scharde" spelling in that above listing?
 
Thank you to all who have sent me the link to the pic!!!! Impressive looking knife in the picture.
I will refrain from my usual political comments!
 
tongueriver said:
I didn't mean to start a war. Just the facts, ma'am is all I ask. If they market some knives with Utica on them I might buy one.
Click to expand...

ddjhvp.jpg


Without getting into issues of country of origin, who made what and how they might deceive buyers, SCHRADE is no longer a maker's mark. It is now a NOSTALGIA mark used by the current owner of the Imperial Schrade trademark portfolio. This forum is dedicated to collectors of pre-October 2004 knives made by and for Imperial Schrade and it's component companies and predecessors. At times it is necessary that we look at Nostalgia marked knives in order to differentiate, for ourselves and other collectors, which knives bear the maker's marks and which bear nostalgia marks. Comparisons of construction details often reveal what nostalgia marks and nostalgia packaging do not.

Deception? MOST deception I see regarding nostalgia marked knives is due to the individual sellers omission of photographs or truthful descriptions in their listings. Shame on them.

The rest is caused by buyers greed and/or lack of knowledge. In other words, we deceive ourselves. Shame on us! :D
 
I agree with Codger on this one. I have tried a couple of times to advise seller that they ought to advise orgin of country made in their description, no luck. One had the audacity to state that Taylor Brands was an American company. LOL. New collectors need to do a lot of research before bidding on or buying at flea market Schrade Imperial items is best advice I could offer.
Harold
 
I agree with Codger too. The non-USA Schrade marked knives are fairly easy to spot, and so are the phony Ebay sellers. It takes some research sometimes to pick out the Camillus, Utica, and Bear & Sons made Schrade Waldens too, but not that difficult. Reading the descriptions to most of those auctions is the easiest way to get fooled into thinking it is a pre 1973 Schrade Walden.

I use advice from Bernard Levine - "Read the knife, not what the markings happen to say." I'll add quite vehemently to that practice, "What the seller happens to say." :p

Taylor Brands is an American company, based in Kingsport, Tennessee. :)
 
It sure as heck wasn't made in Ellenville!
See if I get an answer:
This member has a question for you.

Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is against eBay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs. Learn More.



Where,specifically,in New York was this knife made?
Thanks!


- manyplews



Well - here's the reply:

Dear manyplews,

Ellenville NY

I don't believe that but you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Last edited:
Dave Thinkstoomuch said:
Taylor put them all out of work.

That's definitely not true, the folks at Schrade were out of work long before Taylor bought the intellectual property, he just happened to be the high bidder at the auction.

If you guys want knives that are still being built by Schrade employees, you should stop chasing the current "Schrades" and start collecting Canal Street knives. They're built by some of the top people from that former company, heck, three of them are even Swindens! You can't get more authentic than that! Plus they're built in the former Ulster/Schrade plant. These are the knives that I would consider more in line in the family tree than the imports that you can't even nail down a proper RC hardness on.

Eric
Click to expand...
 
ea42 said:
....the folks at Schrade were out of work long before Taylor bought the intellectual property, he just happened to be the high bidder at the auction...
Eric
Click to expand...

Agreed. Imperial Schrade was killed by act of commission and omission (by disinterested ownership) long before even the closing announcement in July of 2004. That the company lasted beyond 2002 is more attributable, in my opinion, to the employees' efforts than to "wise management decisions" by the owner and consultants brought in by the owner and creditors.

By the time the auction took place, insurmountable debts had accrued to the point that they far exceeded the value of inventory and assets. No one with any business acumen at all would buy what had become a huge white elephant.
 
ea42 said:
Dave Thinkstoomuch said:
Taylor put them all out of work.

That's definitely not true, the folks at Schrade were out of work long before Taylor bought the intellectual property, he just happened to be the high bidder at the auction.

If you guys want knives that are still being built by Schrade employees, you should stop chasing the current "Schrades" and start collecting Canal Street knives. They're built by some of the top people from that former company, heck, three of them are even Swindens! You can't get more authentic than that! Plus they're built in the former Ulster/Schrade plant. These are the knives that I would consider more in line in the family tree than the imports that you can't even nail down a proper RC hardness on.

Eric
Click to expand...

So, Taylor was highest bidder. I know Schrade closed first but Taylor could have re-opened the plants if he cared to, no? Correct me if I'm wrong. If so my bad:

1. He bought all the knife-making machinery.
2. He chose not to use it.
3. He could have hired former Imperial Knife Associated Companies employees to manufacture Schrade in USA and re-opened plants.

Am I wrong? He had to choose China?

With all due respect to Codger I feel it could have been done differently
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top