latest Scharade

I don't think Taylor had the machinery. IIRC That went to various other places, other knife companies included.

Russell
 
Dave Thinkstoomuch said:
He bought the name, trademarks, and associated manufacturing specs, not the building, not the machinery. I doubt that anyone could have afforded to buy the whole shebang back then, or at least would have wanted to. The competition for that particular segment, especially from a financially skewed competitor like the Chinese, was just too great for a company with overhead of that magnitude, and the loss of prime display status from good 'ol Walmart really put the last nail in the coffin. There was only a skeleton crew left by the time the plant closed, and many of the former employees had already found jobs elsewhere. The entire contents was auctioned off seperately, a good portion of the equipment was sold as scrap, some to other knife companies, etc.

I really don't have any problem with the Taylor aspect, he paid a lot of money for those properties and has made a working business of it. I'm just not the least bit interested in the knives, so I simply ignore them. I don't see why there's a need to copy the old packaging though, or, as many other companies have done; resurrect the old stamps like Schrade-Walden, NY Knife, etc. It just adds confusion to the market, and has nothing to do with those old institutions.

Eric
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ea42 said:
I really don't have any problem with the Taylor aspect, he paid a lot of money for those properties and has made a working business of it. I'm just not the least bit interested in the knives, so I simply ignore them. I don't see why there's a need to copy the old packaging though, or, as many other companies have done; resurrect the old stamps like Schrade-Walden, NY Knife, etc. It just adds confusion to the market, and has nothing to do with those old institutions.

Eric
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Thanks, Eric; I think we all pretty much agree with that. However, the core of the frustration lies with the ownership and use of the trademarks, including packaging. That is what he bought, and that is what he uses, and to be effective, he must be obfuscative. And it is working magnificently. Boy, I wish I had his money, and he had a feather up his ..., and we'd both be tickled.
 
tongueriver said:
Thanks, Eric; I think we all pretty much agree with that. However, the core of the frustration lies with the ownership and use of the trademarks, including packaging. That is what he bought, and that is what he uses, and to be effective, he must be obfuscative. And it is working magnificently. Boy, I wish I had his money, and he had a feather up his ..., and we'd both be tickled.
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“What the hell does that mean?”~ George Bush on Obfuscation



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The Schrade Walden tubes wrankled my buds, and the second level of deceptive sellers irritate me, not Taylor LLC, although it amuses me to see the deception work, when it is an obvious scam to me.

Nice take Eric and Calvin... I'm interested in a few of the most recent knives, out of curiosity and for their appearance. I bought it to back up my big mouth actually, and have no intention of parading them in the forums like I have been known to do with the good ones.
 
I totally agree guys. Hal, those recent copies are pretty interesting, that Washington bolster'd model of yours seems to be a pretty decent knife for the money. Just hope no one decides to suddenly pop a bunch of like new 2OT's up on the 'Bay, if you know what I mean. There are ways to discern the originals though, as you guys know. Speaking of 2OT's, did you know that they were never meant to be a long running model? During the move to Ellenville, it was found that there were a bunch of old knife parts mothballed away in the old Schrade plant, and the 2202/3 happened to be one with all the parts, so Uncle Henry decided to put out a "new" model with some extra options to get rid of the inventory, and the 2OT was born! Once the inventory was used up, the model was discontinued as it wasn't viable to remake all the tooling for that model.

Eric
 
ea42 said:
He bought the name, trademarks, and associated manufacturing specs, not the building, not the machinery. I doubt that anyone could have afforded to buy the whole shebang back then, or at least would have wanted to. The competition for that particular segment, especially from a financially skewed competitor like the Chinese, was just too great for a company with overhead of that magnitude, and the loss of prime display status from good 'ol Walmart really put the last nail in the coffin. There was only a skeleton crew left by the time the plant closed, and many of the former employees had already found jobs elsewhere. The entire contents was auctioned off seperately, a good portion of the equipment was sold as scrap, some to other knife companies, etc.

I really don't have any problem with the Taylor aspect, he paid a lot of money for those properties and has made a working business of it. I'm just not the least bit interested in the knives, so I simply ignore them. I don't see why there's a need to copy the old packaging though, or, as many other companies have done; resurrect the old stamps like Schrade-Walden, NY Knife, etc. It just adds confusion to the market, and has nothing to do with those old institutions.

Eric
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Thanks for setting me straight, Eric. I thought he bought the whole shebang.
 
ea42 said:
I totally agree guys. Hal, those recent copies are pretty interesting, that Washington bolster'd model of yours seems to be a pretty decent knife for the money. Just hope no one decides to suddenly pop a bunch of like new 2OT's up on the 'Bay, if you know what I mean. There are ways to discern the originals though, as you guys know. Speaking of 2OT's, did you know that they were never meant to be a long running model? During the move to Ellenville, it was found that there were a bunch of old knife parts mothballed away in the old Schrade plant, and the 2202/3 happened to be one with all the parts, so Uncle Henry decided to put out a "new" model with some extra options to get rid of the inventory, and the 2OT was born! Once the inventory was used up, the model was discontinued as it wasn't viable to remake all the tooling for that model.

Eric
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I guarantee you it will happen sometime, and I even have 4 or 5 likely sellers I suppose might be offering them soon. Certain fellas that tend to list the same Scharades over and over and over. This new wave is supposedly "exclusive" to SMKW, which is not anything new.

Interesting on the 2OT. I wondered why they were only in the catalog for one year.
 
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