LAX security disarms GI Joe

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"A doll caused a security alert at an American airport because its two-inch plastic gun was considered a dangerous weapon...."

Full, horrific story with photo of culprit at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2173150.stm

No wonder it doesn't matter if screeners have a high school education or not.

Remember, safety first!
 
I don't F#*@%# believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

What the heak is this country comming to!!!!!:mad:
 
:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
"zero tolerance" equals zero brains.

Don't think it has to be that way, but what do I know?
 
My friend Austin (whom some of you may remember as the recipient of an 18" WWII from me for being my best man recently) had a severe hassle at the Raleigh-Durham (I think) airport in NC, while he was scouting for graduate schools a month or so ago. He had a pewter keychain about an inch square, with a raised picture of a 1911 pistol on it. Not a minature gun, but a flat piece with a raised image. This keychain of course was too dangerous to be let on the plane :barf: and they wouldn't even let him back out of the security to mail it to himself or surreptitiously try another security station :barf: :barf:

In the process of arguing with the "security" droid, Austin told me the guy tried to use the keychain as a pretend gun, complete with "pchew" "pchew" noises :rolleyes:

Having no satisfaction from the droid or the droid's manager, Austin spotted a guy going through "security" with a competition shooting t-shirt on, that had a picture of a rifle on the back. Trying to argue by absurdity, Austin suggested that the t-shirt was just as dangerous as his keychain. "Security" being an irony-proof zone, the droids went and TOOK THE T-SHIRT OFF THE GUY'S BACK!!!! (after arguement).

Austin, sans dangerous keychain, and poor guy, sans dangerous screen-printed t-shirt, finally were let through security, free to fly the friendly skies. I told Austin he should have gone and given the poor guy $20 to replace his t-shirt...

Tell me again, who's winning the real war?
 
mPsi, sure trumped my story!

In awe, I humbly bow before the grand altar of idiocy.
 
They get the Tshirts and medals with pix of a gun on them but 25% of the real stuff gets thru.
 
M: Though not as horrific a display of idiocy, I had an encounter with a Female gate agent at Chicago Midway. Since my ticket had been purchased by my boss the night before, I was "RANDOMLY" selected to have my checked baggage search and then again at the gate. No problemo ( I Just think how funny and, um, not random it was...It happened to me on 4 different flights one after the other)

Meanwhile at the ranch: The security lady had already used her magic metal detector wand and opened my backpack ( Which of course has a subdued american flag patch sewn on it..... terrorist tell sign :rolleyes: ) She pulled out the Peterson Publishing "Complete Book of the 1911" I had just bought at one of the newsstands in the airport.

She said, " Oooh this isn't good!" I counted to five before responding. I then asked her pointedly why not. I then stated that people with my same mind set, training, and abilities where currently fighting to preserve all of our freedoms, and our own personal safety is our responsibility which means exercising our rights under the second amendment.

After the polite ( It is hard to be polite in the face of stupidity) brow beating I gave this woman, she sheepishly put the magazine back and didn't search my bag any further. Hopefully she learned something from her misspoken comment. I normally would have let that comment roll off my back, but her tone of voice demanded a rebuttal.

-Craig
 
Wow! It looks like we have already found a perfect source for cannon fodder. We should draft them first when the shooting starts.

n2s
 
:confused: I don't understand. Are there actually people this dumb in society? These are the same type of people who work in our schools. It's kind of scary having these people teach our children and secure our airports.

I thought I was pretty average but hearing these stories I think I'm moving up on the bell curve.
 
Well I am sure I am going to get a lot of nasty answers but I will clarify a few points that might help shade some lights on this issue. I am currently involved with the training program for the (soon to be) federalized security screeners force of TSA.

First,one must distinguish bewteen the current screening force( still mostly private thought under federal scrutiny) and the newly formed TSA screening force. We are currently under mandate to have the 429 major US airports covered and to deliver 33,000 trained screeners by Nov.19

It sounds to me that most of the story related below are still relating with the transition force. Now, TSA has issued VERY strict regulations regarding what is allowed and porhibited on board airplanes.

I fail to find anything relating to the picture of a gun, a keychain or a book relating to guns. I am not suggesting that someone is lying but rather that the screener was way out of his/her league on this one. The fact that on each occasion, there was an apparent discussion/argument about the matter between the passenger and the screener leads me one more time to believe that in each case, it was a private security screener rather than a TSA employee.

TSA screeners are not allowed/trained to argue with a passenger.Based on the incident/problem, it IMMEDIATELY escalate either to a supervisor or a law enforcement officer. One thing is for sure. By entering a secure area(i.e) the waiting line of a check point, you are made aware by NUMEROUS POSTINGS that by going on any further you are subject to a search ( implicite agreement as per supreme court decison ) and are therefore relinquishing your 4rth Amendement rights.

You can either submit to a search, or leave the area but one thing is certain: If you want to fly that day, you WILL be searched and this possibly several times before you reach the gate.

In addition, TSA will deploy specialy trained personel to address any complaint at the check point.

I would strongly encourage you to visit the TSA webiste at : www.tsa.gov especially :

http://www.tsa.gov/trav_consumers/trav_consumers_index.shtm


Here are some of TSA recommendations:


Travelers & Consumers
Traveler Tips: Dos & Don'ts


DO...

Allow extra time. Arrive Early.
Please Be Patient, as the federalization of security at the airports continues.
Please be vigilant for suspicious activity and report it to authorities.
Keep your baggage with you at all times.
Please review the guidelines for what you CAN take in your carry-on luggage.
Bring a government-issued photo ID. (If you have photo identification for your children, please bring those as well.)
Bring your ticket or a print-out of your itinerary for your E-ticket.
Please prepare your children for the security checkpoints. Advise your children that all bags and toys must go through the X-ray machine. Leave toys at home that could be mistaken for weapons. (For more guidelines for traveling with children, click here.)
It is recommended that while in line at the checkpoint, please remove your cell phone and pager, take out your keys and change and put all of them into your carry-on bag. This will save time once you arrive at the metal detector and save everyone time waiting in line.
For more information for Persons with Disabilities or Special Needs, please click here.

DON'T...

Carry weapons including guns or knives, in your carry-on luggage.
Carry prohibited objects like scissors, pocket-knives, mace, and corkscrews. (For more prohibited items, click here.)
Joke about terrorism, weapons, or firearms while in the airports or threaten or appear to threaten passenger screeners. All remarks like this will be taken seriously. This could lead to arrest and/or fines. At a minimum, you may encounter a delay in travel.


Remember the next time that you travel , you will be facing a federal employee with all the pros & cons this implies. Be nice, comply and you might even be surprised by the new level of professionalism displayed.
 
Pierre I couldn't get either link to work.:(
Looks like good info and I would like to save the website to my favorites, already saved this thread.
 
Pierre,

Thank you.

If the federal employees of the TSA do as well as the federal employees at my local post office do during the insane times of April 14 and 15, I doubt that many travellers will be disgruntled.


But I still think that if the trouble was taken to transfer GI Joe to the hold,as described, his tiny molded-plastic rifle should have accompanied him. To confistcate it was petty and spiteful. I hope to God that was due to a transition employee.
 
It looks to me like instead of protecting the average citizen. They are being harassed with Nazi
SS tactics and the bad guys get away with a lot of crap. Even what we see on TV of the airports looks like a bunch of storm troopers all over the place.
 
I recall reading somewhere that almost all of the 'heightened' security which have gone into effect since 11.09 are not really meant to be effective at stopping dangerous acts, but rather in making a show to the public that steps are being taken to protect them
 
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