Lbs on sebenza 25

[marthinus]

I found this interesting. Wouldn't it have been easier just to "add" a little more thumb access to the lockbar, as does the Sebbie design?
I've had this question for a long time... Perhaps I'm missing something.

Yes I'm sure it would be much easier to disengage if they made the cut out larger. Personally I've never had a problem with it, but I can see where and why some people would.

I remember Chris reeve posting a comment saying something like, "The lock is designed like that so if your using the knife under a stressful situation with a gloved hand the lock is not accidentally disengaged".

I would guess because the Umnumzaan was designed to be a harder working/tougher knife then the Sebenza they made the lock bar harder to disengage accidentally during really hard use.

frontline29

You covered some good ground in that post.

For what its worth, here are some comments from Sal Glesser on the liner lock.

Design preferences make the industry interesting. Both Gayle and Ed are of the opinion that the relief is not as safe as no relief. Both are highly skilled at designing knives, making knives and cutting with them. Both are champion cutters in competition. My linerlock designs include a relief. I'm often wearing gloves and I prefer them in general. I've heard many complain about my Military and Sage linerlock designs because they feel the relief is unsafe.

Both approaches are valid. That's why we make both. For those that want a relief, it's easier to create one.

sal

 

[Omega Leather Works]

I don't have a ton of frame lock experience. I've honestly never liked them. Didn't like the frame lock on my Southard (hard to describe, but there is a hollow feeling to the lockup action to me) and I don't like the other half dozen or so knives that I own, or have owned with the lock.

I was very surprised by the feel of the Sebenza. At least the 21,or maybe just MY 21, but in any case it is very confidence inspiring. After about 5 minutes I realized that what was missing (couldn't put my finger on it oddly enough) was a LBS or whatever you want to call it. I realized that it is completely uncalled for on the knife! Very different from my Southard where the lockbar will most definitely move out past the g10 tab should you remove it.

The design really is very good.

One question I have is... If you remove the pocket clip is there any less resistance to the lock bar? I removed the screw, but the clip is very tightly fit into the recess. Must be an example of their tolerances, as I've also never seen anything like that before on another knife.

The knife is just simplistic beauty personified.

 

[frontline29]

I don't have a ton of frame lock experience. I've honestly never liked them. Didn't like the frame lock on my Southard (hard to describe, but there is a hollow feeling to the lockup action to me) and I don't like the other half dozen or so knives that I own, or have owned with the lock.

I was very surprised by the feel of the Sebenza. At least the 21,or maybe just MY 21, but in any case it is very confidence inspiring. After about 5 minutes I realized that what was missing (couldn't put my finger on it oddly enough) was a LBS or whatever you want to call it. I realized that it is completely uncalled for on the knife! Very different from my Southard where the lockbar will most definitely move out past the g10 tab should you remove it.

The design really is very good.

One question I have is... If you remove the pocket clip is there any less resistance to the lock bar? I removed the screw, but the clip is very tightly fit into the recess. Must be an example of their tolerances, as I've also never seen anything like that before on another knife.

The knife is just simplistic beauty personified.

Exactly. Very tight tolleraces. When I went to remove the clip on my first Sebenza I thought it was glued down lol.
If you wanna remove your clip use a piece of cloth or something and slip it up under the clip and pull up. Less chance of bending the clip that way.

I guess if you measured it you would probably find there would be less resistance on the lock bar with the pocket clip removed. However my hands weren't sensitive enough to really notice it.

 

[Tripton]

Exactly. Very tight tolleraces. When I went to remove the clip on my first Sebenza I thought it was glued down lol.
If you wanna remove your clip use a piece of cloth or something and slip it up under the clip and pull up. Less chance of bending the clip that way.

I guess if you measured it you would probably find there would be less resistance on the lock bar with the pocket clip removed. However my hands weren't sensitive enough to really notice it.

On all of mine ( I think) when the blade is out and locked, there is actually a very slight gap between the pocket clip and the lockbar.

Removing it shouldn't change the lockbar tension at all.

 

[Omega Leather Works]

On all of mine ( I think) when the blade is out and locked, there is actually a very slight gap between the pocket clip and the lockbar.

Removing it shouldn't change the lockbar tension at all.

Interesting. I just pulled mine out of my pocket to look and there's no gap.

 

[frontline29]

My newest Sebenza came the same way. It has a rather tight clip with no gap when the blade is in the open position.
My older ones are as described by Tripton above.

I guess it depends on how tight your individual clip is.
I know I read a post by CRK a few years ago about this. I think it was that when the knife is open with the lock bar engaged there is suppose to be a gap between the clip and the lock bar just wide enough that you can slide a piece of paper through. I think that's what they shoot for tension wise at the factory.