Learning to forge

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Forging is something that I am planning to learn to do, so naturally I have a few questions. I am almost finished building a small horizontal blown propane forge made from the air brake pressure tank of an old truck. I was given an anvil so that is also covered. If you were to start out with two hammers, what would they be. I already picked up a larger ball pein hammer of about 1.5 to 2 lbs.

My main question is how does one learn proper technique? I am hoping for a good bladesmithing book recommendation for starting out. I realize that the best way would be to have someone teach me, but there aren't bladesmiths at every corner (I don't think). I would like to practice some myself to get a feel for it and then down the road, do a class at Sierra Forge and Fire, since they are about 15 minutes from my parents house. That just isn't even close to being in the budget right now though. I am mildly concerned about developing a bunch of bad habits if I try to teach myself through trial and error.

Any ideas, suggestions, recommendations? Turn and run far far away?

-Mike
 
Estwing 16 oz & 24 oz ball peen and a 40 oz Estwing Engineers hammer! (yes there expensive but there made in America.)

swing till your arm falls off then swing with the other one.

use your elbow, not your shoulder

learn to "pull" the steel upon hammer impact to draw the steel out

Go to www.anvilfire.com and read until your eye balls fall out then read some more)

use junk steel first to get your learning curve down,
a good pair of welding guantlets are a MUST! (unless you like being branded?)

a good suede welding apron is good too

go to www.secowarwick.com and get ya a copy of their heat treating book, its free!

get ya a copy of Machinary's Handbook

good luck and PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL!!!!! keep a journal with how this worked and this didnt.

again happy hammering
 
swing till your arm falls off then swing with the other one.

use your elbow, not your shoulder


if i could make one correction here, when you start to lose proper grip control of the hammer take a break, your just going to hurt yourself, waste your time, destroy some good work, or throw the hammer through a window.

none of which help......

now, that doesn't mean wuss out as soon as you feel a little tired.

but most ppl when they start this tend to SERIOUSLY overgrip the hammer, which can be very damaging to the tendons and connective tissue in your forearm and wrist, try to relax, most ppl also tend to correct a control issue by gripping tighter, which is counter productive..


learn to let the hammer swing.

the way i was taught to use my elbow vs. my shoulder was being told to pinch a shop rag between my elbow and my side, and swing the hammer w/out dropping the rag. try that it will help, and yes, you will feel like your standing to close to the anvil (your not)
 
If your elbow is pinned to your side you will not get a natural swing. You will mess up your elbow and shoulder. It should be a natural motion like throwing the hammer head at the anvil with a relaxed grip, By the way do not EVER align your swing with your head, with a good anvil and hammer the hammer will rebound if you miss once you have a good swing there will be enough energy in your swing that the hammer will come right back up past you head, it would really suck if your head was in the arc.

My favorite small hammers were a Centaur Forge (centaurforge.com)straight pein H130, and a Sears Craftsman cross Pein engineers hammer. When you get them be sure to dress the sharp edges off the faces so they don't "print" in your steel.

Good luck, practice a lot, ask lots of questions but first read all of the stickies at the top with advice for new folks

-Page
 
my primary forging hammer is a sears craftsman 2.5lb cross pein hammer, i chopped the bottom 4 inches off the handle and sanded the rest of the handle to a more comfortable shape, but other than that and crowning hte face a tad, it's a good hammer for the price.

Page has it right, you dont want to hammer with 'just' your elbow OR 'just' your shoulder, you want to swing with a natural motion instead, just be sure you're not swinging your wrist about or you will get problems fast.

Practice hammer controll by just taking cheap steel, say 1/2" square and do simple things, draw pieces out to 1/4" square, make a round bar, draw some tapers, short and long, etc... then take a pile of 1/4" square and make hooks, make lots of hooks, make them untill you're sick of making hooks. The tapering, rounding, and scrolling on a basic hook are all very good hammer controll operations.
 
The nice thing about the Sears hammer is that if you break it they will replace them. If you get used to using the whole length of the handle you get the most power out of your swing, the heavier the hammer the deeper the working capacity of the strike giving you the capability of working thicker cross-section (if you are only mushrooming the top of something your hammer is too light) Throw the hammerhead through the work (follow through just like in baseball) I just got a 3 1/2 pound straight pein, and it moves 3/4 inch bar twice as fast as my 2 1/2 pounder. BTW I forgot to say do not PUSH the hammer, throw it, let the weight and angular momentum do the work

-Page
 
I'm of the opinion that the sears hammers all come with handles too long for them under any normal condition =D True, a longer handle gives more power, but you also lose controll, and make your swing different. I'm of the school that you should keep the length of the handles on all your hammers about the same, choke up on them if you want more finess, and if you need more power, grab a heavier hammer. In that way your swing is the same with every hammer which fosters better hammer controll.

Pick a handle length that works for you, and use it on all your hammers. For me it's around 14 inches, i know others who like it even shorter, and some who like it longer.

Just remember, it's easier to modify your tools than it is to modify yourself for each new tool =)
 
Don't use tongs while you are learning your hammer technique.

Get a bar of something, long enough to hold onto.

Do not be afraid to hit it.

Let the hammer do the work.

Get the metal hot enough so it will move when hit.

Have fun.

Quit while you still have a knife:D Fred
 
Never were truer words put into electronic discourse!

Fred, I will be using that line when I'm teaching new folks, especially teaching them how to grind!

-Page

That was Herb Derr, from a class I took ten years ago, at Cedar Lakes, in West Virginia. He was a delightful teacher and I never forgot the comment.
Ten years down the road; it was sound advice.:D

Fred
 
Thanks for all the advice. I have been reading anvilfire.com for some time now. A lot of info there. I also just got my heat treating handbook in the mail last week.

Thanks for the info on hammers and getting started. I have a ton of spring steel at my disposal so I will just have to practice. Thanks again, and any more info is greatly appreciated.

-Mike
 
Look into local craft/art centers and take a blacksmithing class.:thumbup:
Mace
 
I use hammers from 1.5# to 4# for general forging. The two you will use most are a 2.5# to 3# general blacksmiths hammer, and a 2# cross pein. Don't start too heavy. Shorten the handles to about 12-14 if they are long.Sand the butt to a smooth edge.The handle should have a good feel in the hand. If the handle is not comfortable, you will never control it. While a general purpose hammer (ball pein,engineers, etc.) will work to start with, remember that blacksmith hammers are designed to do the job precisely.A good forging hammer will cost less than $50. So a pair of hammers and a box jaw tongs will set you back about $150 total. Centaur Forge ( http://www.centaurforge.com/ ),and Tom Clark at Ozark School ( http://www.ozarkschool.com/ ) are good suppliers. I like the Tom Tongs. When you get some hammer experience, and are ready to purchase a couple of new hammers, the Hoffi hammers, designed by Uri Hoffi, are superb ( but a bit pricey).
Make sure the metal is at the right temperature. Just "getting it red" is not necessarily hot enough. It should be at a forging temperature, which for "Spring Steel", is probably between 1600F and 2100F.That is between a reddish -orange and an orangish-yellow (here is a visual chart, http://www.beautifuliron.com/usingthe.htm ) Don't "push" the hammer hard. Let it be guided and controlled by the arm , not propelled by the shoulder. Set the work area (anvil, forge, hammers ,etc.) so you can stand comfortably on a firm, level, and uncluttered surface. You should not be bending or hunching to forge. The hammer should hit the steel so the shock does not transfer to your body. The anvil surface should be about at knuckle to wrist height when you stand next to it (this varies from smith to smith somewhat, but is a good starting guideline). Tongs are great ( necessary for some jobs) to do a lot of forging, but when learning, use an 18" to 24" bar of steel and a leather glove on the work hand ( the one holding the bar).I will save you a lesson that we all learn soon - Never get the work glove wet. It will conduct the heat directly to your hand and burn you!!! To start with, don't use a forging hand glove. You will need to learn the feel of the hammer and build up some control technique (the callouses will come on their own).I use a forging glove, somewhat like a batting glove. It covers my palm and supports the wrist a bit. Learn without one first, then decide if you want one later.
Practice for control and process.In masons terms - Don't try to build a house in one day, lay a few bricks at a time, checking with the square and level as you go. To a smith that means to do a forging session, take a look at the work done and see what went well and what didn't. A good training technique I use to teach is this:

Take four bars of 24X1X1/4" steel.
1) Take the first bar and hammer it with the forging hammer till it is 1/8" thick, starting from one end and going to the middle.It should have become wider and longer. Look at how the bar is shaped. Is it all twisted and bumpy? Or is it smooth and fairly straight. Study it for at least 15-30 minutes.Maybe run a file over the surface to see how deep some of those dings are ( do this on each of the four exercises).Now do the other half and try to correct the problems encountered on the first end. Improved? Maybe???
2) Next, take another bar and ,using the cross pein, draw it out from the center to one end, making it 1/8" thick by 1" wide. It should be longer, but not much wider. How does it look? See where you have room to improve and do the other half.
3) Take a new bar and, starting at the end and stopping at the center, bevel the bar until it is a 2" wide wedge. It should be a fairly smooth flat taper from spine to edge. Evaluate it.Now do the other end.
4) Take the last bar and taper it from the center toward the end making it longer and being 1/4" at the center and an edge at the end. (This is called a distal taper, BTW). It should end up a long 1" wide chisel. After examination, do the other end.

What you have learned here is the four processes that are involved in making a knife,without trying to make a knife.

Now you are ready to take a new bar of the same steel. Cut the end at a 45 degree angle to pre-form the point ( You will need to learn about fish lips later, but for now cut the point). Start at the point and round off the general tip shape. Now set the bar edge on the anvil edge, about 3" back from the tip. The blade edge part should be off the anvil with the handle part above the face, with the bar at a 30 degree angle to the face. Strike the spine area to make a big dent on the edge area .Straighten and smooth things up a bit. This will mark the end of the blade edge. Now, using the horn, curve the "blade" DOWN into the reverse of a skinning knife. This is to allow the blade to straighten back up as you forge the bevels and tapers in. - believe me, it will straighten.) Starting about an inch forward of the notch, draw the edge out wider to start the bevel. As you go toward the tip, taper the blade ,too. This will make it longer and wider. The end result should be a blade about 1.25" wide and 4" long. You will move the bevel back toward the notch a bit as you go, which is why you started an inch away - to allow for the ricasso getting smaller as you reforged and refined the bevel. The ricasso should end up about 1/2 to 3/4".Clean up the shape of the blade until you like the general look. You aren't looking for a finished blade yet, just a finished shape.
Cut the knife from the bar about four inches from the blade notch. Shape up the tang ( This is where you will need tongs), keeping it as smooth and flat as possible ( Tapered tangs are a thing you will learn about later, but avoid now), and clean up the blade . You can always grind/ file the details later, so as said before, "Quit while you still have a knife." If the knife looks something like a hunting knife, you have done all right. Grind and file it to smooth the surfaces and refine the profile....How much more did you have to remove?? A lot??? Next time make the hammering smoother and the surfaces flatter.

Make three more (each on a different day - yes a different day!) ,and see how each one improves. Heat treat the best one and finish the knife. Take the others, drill one small hole in the tang, and nail them over the shop door. Every time you finish a blade and are leaving the shop, look up at those and see where you have improved.

BTW, all forging steps were at forging heat, never cold or just red.

Hope this helps - Stacy
 
Stacy,
Thanks for taking the time to explain all of that. There are a lot of tips in there that one doesn't even think about having never forged before. I will definitely be taking your advice and printing out the reply. Thanks again.

-Mike
 
Mike,

Get a quality hammer. It will pay for it's self many times over. I really like the hammer I bought that Ed Caffrey made. It is an angle pein. The drawing pein is set at 45 deg so it is easier to draw with it. It is well balanced and swings like a dream. I am now beginning to make my own hammers and find some work better than others. But a cheap hammer will beat you up and can actually hurt you.

Chuck
 
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