Leave the sale price on sold threads

bad ideal imo and this is why.
First two areaq of the forum that you had best be prepared for, 1. The Exchange and 2. far, far, far back is Whine and Cheese. .. To even compare the Exchange to Etube is against the law. Prices are set here, it's not open pricing and every item is buy now. Leaving prices would require leaving photos, this should never happen, because each listed knife here should be listed with actual photos of exact knife, no photo bucket downloads, sorry. A clear red flag, is when someone uses other members photos, from time to time this may occur, but only with the premission of the op and that stated with your new thread. plenty sites exist for education, the exchange is not one such site, the exchange is operated on 1 system, supply and demand. If only say 25 knives exist , and you see 1 sold that price is different, then you see another, price is falling and the 3 and 4th and 5th knives will fall as well. most of the knives sold on the exchange are sold for less, some more than listed.by posting 'I'll take it" you have committed, but with seller/buyer relations neg. often occur. posted prices afterwards can mislead. what prevent someone from selling one lower price and listing a higher gained # ?

and last, but most important, it is free market, and what "A" sold for is none of xyz's business. Do you really want everyone to know where you spend your money. what should happen and is worse, is when items are sold, thread should totally be deleted. i know many more items are listed, but too tired and my spelling and grammer closed down about an hour ago. thanks for your time and i enjoy read your views.
 
I don't see how someone else's transaction is anyone's business. I get where you are going with this, but you aren't seeing that there are some busy buyers here. No one should be required to leave in personal information about their transactions here, and I see where sellers are providing better service to the buyer by protecting that information.

There do exist people who data mine the interwebz for nefarious purposes. They are NOT the common user on bladeforums, but they are here lurking.
 
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What about our knifemakers? Should they be required to leave sales prices listed after a sale? The obvious answer is NO they should not. The same model knife sold by a maker 2 years ago could very easily be more refined or presented with better materials now. Should the knifemakers have their feet held to the fire by a potential buyer using a price from an old listing?
 
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What makes a market is not any one individual sale, but the general market trend. The more sales that are reported, the more accurate a picture we get of the overall market.

What I see is a trend to delete prices quickly so that the sales forum has less value to the members. No one is being asked to post personal information. Sales can be an anonymous as people want, and the sales price can still be left. By removing the sales price -- or misrepresenting it -- you are hurting the people who use and support this forum.
 
Twindog said:
What makes a market is not any one individual sale, but the general market trend. The more sales that are reported, the more accurate a picture we get of the overall market.

What I see is a trend to delete prices quickly so that the sales forum has less value to the members. No one is being asked to post personal information. Sales can be an anonymous as people want, and the sales price can still be left. By removing the sales price -- or misrepresenting it -- you are hurting the people who use and support this forum.
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Why is there an expectation for the Exchange to be a historical record of sale prices? Spark has made his position on this issue clear. It is the seller's prerogative to leave or remove the price.
 
Ernie1980 said:
I leave my prices up for the reasons listed. However, remember that the asking price is not always what the knife sells for in the end. I am certainly not going to change the price in my post to reflect the actual sale price. Additionally, I don't need more rules in my life, especially on my own knife sales! I will leave them up because I want to, but a rule dictating this would irritate me.
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This. It should be seller's choice.
 
Morrow said:
Why is there an expectation for the Exchange to be a historical record of sale prices? Spark has made his position on this issue clear. It is the seller's prerogative to leave or remove the price.
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Sure, Spark can do whatever he wants. The forum is not a democracy. And the exchange doesn't have to play a consumer-friendly role. But the exchange and the forum would provide a better service to its members if it did leave the sales price as a historical marker.

And I don't dispute that the sellers can do whatever then want with the listed price. But this is the feedback forum, right? My feedback is that the forum would be a better place if prices were left.
 
Twindog said:
If people want to sell knives here, they should be required -- since they don't do this on their own -- to leave the sales price in the completed thread after the sale so that members can get an honest sense of the true market value of the knives they want to sell or buy.
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Twindog said:
And I don't dispute that the sellers can do whatever then want with the listed price.
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Isn't your OP the same thing as saying that they shouldn't be able to do whatever they want with the listed price?
 
Twindog said:
Sure, Spark can do whatever he wants. The forum is not a democracy. And the exchange doesn't have to play a consumer-friendly role. But the exchange and the forum would provide a better service to its members if it did leave the sales price as a historical marker.

And I don't dispute that the sellers can do whatever then want with the listed price. But this is the feedback forum, right? My feedback is that the forum would be a better place if prices were left.
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There have been and will continue to be opinions on both sides of this. Please don't take my comments as an attempt to prevent you from voicing your opinion. You make valid points in the correct forum. :thumbup:
 
When I sell I leave the sale price in the thread as a service and courtesy to my fellow members and wish more would do the same.

I don't think it should be a rule though but would be nice if we looked out more for each other.

Current and past prices on a given knife is a great tool to help others determine value. I always thought it a shame that BFC is the greatest place in the world for information about knives, except their resale values.

If I recall, the practice of erasing the asking price was started by Liu Kang? The worst shark and lowlife to ever grace the BFC forum. He used to erase the asking price so you wouldn't know he was buying low and selling the same knife back to someone at a very high mark up.

Until then people generally left the asking price up in their sales post.

Too bad it seems he started trend that seems to have stuck...
 
Liu Lang wasn't erasing the asking price. He was asking the seller to erase the asking price.
 
Liu Kang was responsible for the present situation. Erasing the prices helps the playas, not the ordinary knife knut. Leaving prices up doesn't help or hurt the occasional buyer or seller all that much. But the market is much more favorable to manipulation when only the professional flippers can keep up with what they can get away with.

Education works. Everyone who leaves the price up after a sale and points this out encourages others to follow. Everyone who bids on a sale and quotes the original post to preserve the asking price when they say I'll take it! encourages others to follow.

Don't vote for it, do it.
 
I know this has been discussed, but as a buyer and noob I was always frustrated with erased sale prices. Now that I sell some things, I leave the prices (including original prices of I dropped the price).
 
amflud said:
Liu Lang wasn't erasing the asking price. He was asking the seller to erase the asking price.
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He did both and you are correct, but by asking the seller to erase the price he was in effect doing it right?

Either way, As Esav pointed out, he is responsible for the current trend and again I say it's to bad that a practice started by a low life has taken and become common practice here on BFC.

Way I see it and I only speak for myself, I see BFC as a community first and as such try and help and look out for my fellow members.

Leaving up my asking price after a sale is one small way I can give back a little for all that I get from being a member here but that's just me.

ETA: I do erase the pictures after a sale to free up space in my image hosting site. I've had a lot of problems loading pic's (I'm sure operator error) as I'm not all that computer savvy and the more pic's stored the more difficulties I have so after a sale is completed I will delete the pic's to make room for more but I leave them up long enough for the buyer or anyone else to have plenty of time to copy them if they desire.

However I always leave the asking price in the post.
 
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Daddyo16 said:
Isn't your OP the same thing as saying that they shouldn't be able to do whatever they want with the listed price?
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No, I'm acknowledging that sellers are permitted to redact the selling price under existing rules. I'm also saying that the rule should be changed to require the selling price to remain because so doing would provide a valuable service to the members.
 
We foster more of a sense of community by persuading others to follow good practice than by ordering them to do so.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
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Education works. Everyone who leaves the price up after a sale and points this out encourages others to follow. Everyone who bids on a sale and quotes the original post to preserve the asking price when they say I'll take it! encourages others to follow.

Don't vote for it, do it.
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Maybe this is the way forward. I'll follow this advice from now on. Hopefully, we can start a new trend.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Liu Kang was responsible for the present situation. Erasing the prices helps the playas, not the ordinary knife knut. Leaving prices up doesn't help or hurt the occasional buyer or seller all that much. But the market is much more favorable to manipulation when only the professional flippers can keep up with what they can get away with.

Education works. Everyone who leaves the price up after a sale and points this out encourages others to follow. Everyone who bids on a sale and quotes the original post to preserve the asking price when they say I'll take it! encourages others to follow.

Don't vote for it, do it.
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As always, a well thought out, reasonable post.

Since the folks here should do their own policing, set their own trends and take care of themselves this seems to be an easy solution that requires almost no effort. Management has said it is solely up to the sellers to leave or remove the transaction history making it easy enough to keep prices up if the sellers want to. And if it is popular enough BF will change with the trend. Problem solved.

Robert
 
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Esav Benyamin said:
We foster more of a sense of community by persuading others to follow good practice than by ordering them to do so.
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I completely agree and very well said!

And as we often find, like with the "Gift or add $xx fee's" or "insurance extra" issue many, mostly newer members only do it because that's what they see others doing so they figure that's just how we do thing's. They don't realize their violating PP's TOS and would do it the right way if they knew better.

I'm sure most if not the overwhelming majority of those who erase the asking prices after the sale are only doing so because that's what they see others doing and would gladly leave them up after reading this thread, knowing now they are doing their fellow members a service by doing so.

That's why I always see tremendous value in these threads. It gets the word out and educates.

The best we can do is like Esav said and that's lead by example. If people see the majority doing it that way they will most likely follow suit.
 
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