Leek trumps Sebenza

KEmSAT-Survival said:
I'm apparently missing the part where there's something wrong with people who don't carry the Godly Sebenza...

Please explain this to me.

Was he wrong for liking a Leek more than a Sebenza for some reason?

Or is your point that people who use lower priced knives think that people who pay...whatever they pay...for a Sebenza are rich?

How does not owning a Sebenza make him "knife naive"? I own many knives and none of them have the "S" word on them anywhere. And I'm anything BUT "knife naive".

Think maybe it's not that he's being naive, but maybe you're being a little bit of a snob?

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Whoa. Back up, please. You asked me to explain it to you and I will.

You simply got it all wrong. Here we go, point-by-point:

You are NOT "missing the part where there's something wrong with people who don't carry the Godly Sebenza" because I DID NOT write or imply that.

No, he was not wrong for liking a Leek more than a Sebenza. Again, I did not write or imply that.

No, my point is not "that people who use lower priced knives think that people who pay...whatever they pay...for a Sebenza are rich." My point was that the Leek is a great knife and this fun little exercise with my friend is evidence of that. Also, I OWN AND USE A LEEK!

Not owning a Sebenza does not make him naive. I did NOT write or imply that. He is "knife naive" for the reason I wrote about in the very sentence that proceded that statement. Check it out. Nothing to do with him not owning the Sebenza. And I think it IS that he is "naive" because that's the very word he used to describe himself upon my request to participate in this little exercise.

Okay, on to the "snob" part. What, are we in the third grade here? Name calling? C'mon! All I will say about this is that the old "snob" refrain from people who do not own and/or like Sebs is an old cliche at this point. It is especially weak in its application here becuase you obviously misinterpreted the point and tone of my post. Do I need to again point out that I OWN A KERSHAW LEEK. Or that I'm about to buy another Kershaw knife soon, as I indicated in another post in this thread that came before yours. And you also might want to check out my sale thread which this Sebenza is the subject of.

Hmmm.... Keeping my Leek, selling my Sebenza? What to make of that?

Have a nice day.:)
 
Anytime, my girlfriend says anything about how expensive my knives are, I quickly remind her of when she used to sell make up. I'll ask her, "didn't you say that women would buy $700-$1500+ worth of make up in one purchase? And what about that $1000 purse you have?" To which she'd often reply, "Oh yeah, I guess it just depends on what you like..." I always win that one:)
 
KEmSAT-Survival said:
I'm apparently missing the part where there's something wrong with people who don't carry the Godly Sebenza...

Please explain this to me.

Was he wrong for liking a Leek more than a Sebenza for some reason?

Or is your point that people who use lower priced knives think that people who pay...whatever they pay...for a Sebenza are rich?

How does not owning a Sebenza make him "knife naive"? I own many knives and none of them have the "S" word on them anywhere. And I'm anything BUT "knife naive".

Think maybe it's not that he's being naive, but maybe you're being a little bit of a snob?

:confused:
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What you missed was the point of the post.
 
C.S. Graves said:
There's no "winning" with dames. Only temporary ceasefire. :D
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Temporary cease fire is the best I can do, so it's a "win". But you're right on target with this comment, seeing as how I'm implying that this conversation has taken place multiple times and will probably continue on.
 
Before joining this forum I was naive about modern knives too.

My boss is an avid camper and frequently buys ( and can well afford) high quality knives.

About 7 or 8 years ago he told me to expect two packages, both knives and to inspect the contents of the packages once they arrived.

The first arrived and it was a Spyderco folder. I never saw one before, I looked at the invoice and couldn't believe anyone would pay $75 for a light "plastic" knife. Being naive I told my boss he should get his money back and buy something from Gerber, Buck or Schrade ( I offered to help).

About a week later the second package arrived, it was a small Sebenza. I looked the knife over but as naive as I was I did realize it was a quality knife. I pulled out the invoice and saw a total of $85. I told my boss this was a much better knife and worth $85. He told me $85 was for refurbishing the knife...:)
 
Since you were so kind to do it for me, I will do so for you. So that we understand where the miscommunication took place.




KarlMaldensNose said:
...in my "knife naive" friend's eyes. Keep in mind that this guy's only experience with knives is when he cuts steak and butters bread. He is otherwise a very intelligent and informed individual.:D
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Reading the title as part of the introductory sentence, which it looks to me like what you were doing, it reads like this:

"Leek trumps Sebenza in my "knife naive" friend's eyes. Keep in mind that this guys's only experience with knife is when he cuts steak and butters...et al..."

The very first part of the statement seemed like you were calling him naive because he thought his leek was better than your Sebenza. Which, to him, it may well have to been.

If I didn't know who Chris Reeves is or what a Sebenza is, looking at the two I'd guess they were about the same thing.

He is otherwise a very intelligent and informed individual.
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This read like he was somehow dense for not using a knife for other than cutting steak and buttering stuff. What if cutting a steak and buttering stuff was all the guy wanted to use one for?

Just for fun, I showed him a Seb and a Leek to see how he'd do.

I asked him to guess their approximate prices... Seb = $60 Leek = $75
I asked him which knife he'd rather carry in the woods... Sebenza
I asked him which knife he'd rather carry in the city... Leek
I asked him which knife he'd rather walk out of our meeting with... Leek
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This read to me like you were badgering the guy, and trying to beat it into his head that his Leek was junk compared to a Sebenza. And like you almost had trouble accepting the fact that he liked his knife more than yours.

When I told him what a new Sebenza costs I think I saw his eye twitch a few times. And after I confessed to owning another knife that costs more than a Sebenza, he made me buy him a beer... you know, since I can afford it and all, was his reasoning!
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This is where the question about people thinking you're rich because you paid whatever you paid for a Sebenza came from. It reads like you made it a point to brag about how much your knives cost, in an effort to belittle his. Do you see where someone (your friend in this case) may come under the impression that you are "well to do" when you brag about owning a-- what are they, $400--knife? Not to mention underscoring that by saying: "Oh well, but I own one that cost even more that that."
If a guy whipped out a 400 dollar knife in a conversation with me and then trumped it with: "but I have one that cost even more than that," I'd get the impression that he was trying to tell me he had quite a few zeroes in his check every week.

The written word is a mother to try and discern tone from. I should have phrased that snob thing a little better, I can understand where you thought I was calling you one, however, if you look around I'm sure you will find instances of people using this exact word or phrase. Here are some examples:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=506074 post# 14

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6968440 post#13

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5774319 the entire thing.



None of what I posted was meant as an insult. I seriously thought you were downing the guy for owning a Kershaw instead of a Sebenza, like it was somehow a shame.
 
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1. Another member added to my ignore list.

2. The point I take away from the OP is that a plain Sebenza is not a glitzy knife designed to impress on the basis of its appearance.
 
It's all good. Miscommunication happens. So does misinterpretation... and responsibility can be shared on this one if the original message/text/etc. is not clear. And maybe I wasn't clear. So this is me being clear:

--both the Leek and Seb are mine, my buddy doesn't have knives
--he is a very dear friend, so no badgering or bragging was happening
--I am so far from wealthy it makes me want to cry sometimes:D
--I like Kershaw
--I like my Leek 1660... although I'd rather have a Random S30V Leek
--I like CRK
--I like my Seb but I'm selling it for a variety of good and not so good reasons

No hard feelings at all here. Let's choose more important things to direct our energy toward. Take care. :)
 
KarlMaldensNose said:
It's all good. Miscommunication happens. So does misinterpretation... and responsibility can be shared on this one if the original message/text/etc. is not clear. And maybe I wasn't clear. So this is me being clear:

--both the Leek and Seb are mine, my buddy doesn't have knives
--he is a very dear friend, so no badgering or bragging was happening
--I am so far from wealthy it makes me want to cry sometimes:D
--I like Kershaw
--I like my Leek 1660... although I'd rather have a Random S30V Leek
--I like CRK
--I like my Seb but I'm selling it for a variety of good and not so good reasons

No hard feelings at all here. Let's choose more important things to direct our energy toward. Take care. :)
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Glad we're square! :thumbup:
 
KEmSAT, seems you threw reading comprehension out the window.

KarlMaldensNose, you should have told him that he needs to buy the beer, because you spent all your money on knives :D.
 
I'm probably very biased by now, but when I look at the two knives the Sebenza just seems to be higher quality. For some reason, when I see a knife with a stainless steel or aluminum handle that isn't anondized, I find that it looks cheap. I prefer anondized, titanium, micarta, wood, etc. over any kind of plain stainless steel or aluminum, be it stonewashed, satin finished, or what have you. That's just how my tastes have developed.

Then again, I'm also so familiar with the Sebenza and the Leek that I can't help my thinking the Sebenza looks higher quality, must be a subconscious thing.
 
I can't get down with spending custom $$$ and getting a production knife in return, but that's just my opinion and I can respect guys who think they are a super bargain.

One rule I've learned in my time here on BF is that no argument can ever be won (on either side) if it involves a Sebenza. I don't think there is a more polarizing object in the knife world, other than maybe Busse knives.

Maybe there should be a mandatory three day waiting period to respond to a Sebenza post?? Hey, it worked so well for handguns :D
 
My surprise is how accurate his selection was for which knife he would rather have in the city vs which knife he would rather have in town. I've been acquiring and using knives for over half a century now. In the early days I would look for a really stout blade since I kept breaking them. In later years I picked knives for their defensive or combat effectiveness. A few years back I started picking knives to try out high performance alloys. At about the same time I started looking for the ultimate hunting knife. Now I realize that I am primarily a white collar city guy. The knife design that is the most effective for me is just like the Leek. I would be best served with a thin warnecliff or sheepsfoot blade. I wish that was an option for my SAK.

So if I disregard the price I would rather carry the Leek than the Sebenza around the city. I would rather carry the Sebenza for hunting or field use. I don't see how I could justify the price of a Sebenza. What I got myself to fill that need is a Buckbenza (a titanium handled Buck 560 with BG42 alloy blade). I think I paid about $75.00 for it used. I prefer it to a Sebenza on design features. It just fits my needs better. I did throw away the one-armed-bandit opening stud. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6834304&postcount=63
 
Call me crazy, but I understood and appreciated the story right off. Don't worry about those who can't "get it". Not the first time, definitely won't be the last. Again, thanks for the story.
 
KEmSAT-Survival said:
I'm apparently missing the part where there's something wrong with people who don't carry the Godly Sebenza...

Please explain this to me.

Was he wrong for liking a Leek more than a Sebenza for some reason?

Or is your point that people who use lower priced knives think that people who pay...whatever they pay...for a Sebenza are rich?

How does not owning a Sebenza make him "knife naive"? I own many knives and none of them have the "S" word on them anywhere. And I'm anything BUT "knife naive".

Think maybe it's not that he's being naive, but maybe you're being a little bit of a snob?

:confused:
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What a weird set of conclusions. :confused:

None of that has anything to do with it, he's just giving us a little anecdotal story about how people who know nothing about knives perceive the value of two different knives.
 
By the way the MSRP for a Leek is $69.95. Your friend estimated it at $75.00. He has a pretty good eye for the price of a quality mass produced item.
 
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