Legality on My Mind

Life is complicated.
Life is even more complicated when you are a knife collector.

NO MORE !

You know how they have those utility knives where the blade is designed to snap off in measured lengths ?

When I go through a zone where the legal length is less than what I have on me . . . I just snap off the extra blade length and walk on cheerful in the knowledge I am a law abiding citizen.



April Fools
Love it man!, take off the april fools line and I bet some adopt it as a legitimate strategy! needed that laugh!
 
Anyone else take this into consideration when you buy? Not just the local ordinances, but the rules you encounter as you travel around the country.

I only ever thought about switch blades and daggers in terms of legality. Never carried one due to that.

With folders, I never knew what was the "legal size" in the states I have lived in. Legalities on folders only became known after joining BF. I tend to like or prefer knives with a 3.0"-3.25" blade which are legal in most places. My favorite slip joints are around 3" blade length and my favorite moderns are Spydie Delica sized. Just started carrying a smaller traditional in the last week or so after pretty much been stuck in the size range mentioned above. Kind of like this little peanut-ish folder.

It never fails that i have a folder in my pocket when I try to go into a court house. Have to make a trip back to the truck to stash it or them. But when I work inside these kinds of buildings, I generally have at least one knife on me (with permission). They escort me around the metal detectors knowing that I need the tools.
 
Knife laws can be tricky and change all the time. For instance, even living and carrying in Indiana, I had no idea that that laws on the books changed a couple years ago. For the longest time, pretty much everything was permitted except for autos, daggers, and throwing stars.

Well, I guess the popularity of assisted openers got law makers' attentions. Thankfully, for once, rationality prevailed. Instead of banning an entire genre of incredible tools, they just struck down the archaic auto law. Now I can carry pretty much anything except throwing stars (still a silly law, but I'll take what I can get). I walked into a sporting good's store a few weeks ago and walked out with a Kershaw Launch 2.

The funny thing, now that I CAN purchase autos...I dunno what to do with them:D The Launch is a really well built knife for under $100. Snappy, good lock up, nice finish on the steel and LIGHT. But I can't find a niche it fills. I've been using it as my "dress knife". It's so light and sleek that it fills the role of being a handy cutter while out and about.

I digress;)

I think so much of "legality" is going to come down to how much hassle you want to go through. Most of the police officers I know (friends and customers) aren't going to bust my chops if I use a knife that is technically over the legal limit (if there were such limitations in this state) if I am being responsible. Also, most patrons out and about aren't going to care if you aren't being an idiot.

I have been carrying a ZT 909 on me the last few weeks. It's a beefy knife sporting nearly 4" of blade. I used it in a sit-down restaurant last weekend to cut my daughter's drinking straw down so that it wouldn't tip her cup. I got zero looks doing it. That was mostly likely due to the fact that I didn't sweep the knife out giving the flipper a push with mucho gusto and a satisfying THWACK. I palmed it, pressed the flipper down enough to overcome the detent and fanned the blade open quietly with my other hand until it locked. No need to draw attention and bothers others even if it is within your rights.

I don't get to big cities that restrict carry much at all. I've been to Chicago once (not for me, but I'm glad I've seen it). I didn't think twice about the knife laws. I was at a convention, not on the street. I don't even remember what I had in my pockets. Probably a Spyderco Endura or something lightweight but capable. Never got a look, but then I never left the building more than 3 times over 2 days and was always herded into a gaggle of sales reps sporting dockers and polos...not really the type that gets a lot of eyeballing by police.

I've never been to New York, but I'll be sure to pack nothing more than a slip joint when I do go.

I did spend a week in Ireland almost 6 years ago. I knew that Euro knife laws can be more strict, or at least perceived as such. However, I also knew I would be spending my time in quaint villages and not in the big cities. So I researched the laws as best I could and packed a SAK Explorer. I put a lot of thought into it. It didn't lock open, wouldn't open with one had, and it LOOKED like a tool. 4 springs thick with a magnifying glass being one of the tools (how scary is a magnifying glass? exactly:)).
Even at that, I don't think I used the blade once during the trip. I think I cut a few strings/tags off things for my wife and used the screw driver to fix her camera. No one ever saw it, and it never was an issue.
 
Other than in a few jurisdictions, I feel the knife law enforcement (other than daggers and switch blades) are pretty much driven by intention and are situational.
 
I personally feel that most if not all knife restriction laws are short-sighted at best. The terrorists responsible for 9/11 used box cutters to dissuade the airline passengers from taking action against them. A believe a blade .5" long is sufficient to sever a jugular vein or carotid artery or even a brachial artery. If law makers are concerned about protecting the general non-carrying public from those who do carry a knife, restrictions on knife carrying are NOT the answer. In fact, I'm not sure there is an answer.

I carry what I please when and where I please. I am sensible, responsible in using or displaying a knife, and reasonable in how I behave in public. I have no criminal record and don't go looking for trouble or attention. I think 99% of law enforcement in the world has a lot more to deal with than law abiding citizens who carry a knife 1" longer than what is legally permitted. If you want to draw lots of attention to yourself or commit criminal activity, don't be surprised when the law scrutinizes you for having your shoelace untied.

As for thinking of a knife as a weapon, in my eyes, it is barely more of a "weapon" than a sharp pencil is a weapon, which will easily put an eye out if properly placed. That said, I have zero intention of carrying a knife and using it as a weapon. I don't think like that. It may be a weapon of last resort, but so is the tire iron, pair of scissors, pencil, garbage can lid, or anything else I can grab to save a life if it comes down to that.
 
Full disclosure, the reason I'm so wary about following legalities as best I can is that I HAVE gotten in trouble for this. I had a car accident when I was fairly young and it wasn't really clear who was at fault, but I had a fairly large, tacticool knife stashed under my seat. Basically, they threatened me with a concealed weapons charge if I didn't admit fault for the accident.

Now, being older, wiser and wealthier, I probably could have fought it a number of ways, but I was young, dumb, broke and scared, so I avoided the charge and accepted fault for the accident.

Not too bad an outcome, but it taught me to read up on legalities and never to give the police an excuse. The threat of the charge might have been totally bogus, but they sure as hell used it as leverage against me.
 
A former work associate was busted in Dallas for having a machete on a "gun rack" in his pickup. I suspect there may have been more to it than that, but that is what he said.

It is certainly not a bad idea to know what is legal and what is not where ever you live. It is one of those things of "how do you find out?" before the internet became a generally accepted approach to looking things up. You just never know when something might come up. But in general, I really don't care as I don't carry any knife that I feel is very threatening to most people.
 
Life is complicated.
Life is even more complicated when you are a knife collector.

NO MORE !

You know how they have those utility knives where the blade is designed to snap off in measured lengths ?

When I go through a zone where the legal length is less than what I have on me . . . I just snap off the extra blade length and walk on cheerful in the knowledge I am a law abiding citizen.



April Fools

That was hilarious :D
 
Full disclosure, the reason I'm so wary about following legalities as best I can is that I HAVE gotten in trouble for this. I had a car accident when I was fairly young and it wasn't really clear who was at fault, but I had a fairly large, tacticool knife stashed under my seat. Basically, they threatened me with a concealed weapons charge if I didn't admit fault for the accident.

Now, being older, wiser and wealthier, I probably could have fought it a number of ways, but I was young, dumb, broke and scared, so I avoided the charge and accepted fault for the accident.

Not too bad an outcome, but it taught me to read up on legalities and never to give the police an excuse. The threat of the charge might have been totally bogus, but they sure as hell used it as leverage against me.

Had same thing happen about 15 years ago. We moved from Brooklyn to NJ and I had my dive knife under driver's seat. Got pulled over for something and the cop saw it....Scubapro 8" fixed. Spoke for a while and he was really cool. Let us go, but told us to get it out of the car!
When I lived in NYC the people that got snagged with a knife looked like they were up to no good. If you're walking down the street and you don't look like you just crawled out of a sewer, you aren't getting frisked!
Joe
Common sense.
 
being in legality is generally a "good" thing.
I'm an over the road truck driver. one of my EDC's is a Buck 110 or Old Timer 7OT in a belt sheath. I don't flaunt it or play with it. I've never had anyone say anything about it being on my belt, not even in NJ or the Metro area of NYC.

(my normal EDC is the lockback along with a 4 blade scout/camper, and a 3 blade stockman.)
 
A former work associate was busted in Dallas for having a machete on a "gun rack" in his pickup. I suspect there may have been more to it than that, but that is what he said.

It is certainly not a bad idea to know what is legal and what is not where ever you live. It is one of those things of "how do you find out?" before the internet became a generally accepted approach to looking things up. You just never know when something might come up. But in general, I really don't care as I don't carry any knife that I feel is very threatening to most people.

Having lived here since 1993 he just ran across some Police Academy or one of our transplants from places that have nutty gun job. Or he was doing something he was not supposed to and they just sandbagged the issue.
 
A former work associate was busted in Dallas for having a machete on a "gun rack" in his pickup. I suspect there may have been more to it than that, but that is what he said.

It is certainly not a bad idea to know what is legal and what is not where ever you live. It is one of those things of "how do you find out?" before the internet became a generally accepted approach to looking things up. You just never know when something might come up. But in general, I really don't care as I don't carry any knife that I feel is very threatening to most people.

Having lived here since 1993 he just ran across some Police Academy or one of our transplants from places that have nutty gun job. Or he was doing something he was not supposed to and they just sandbagged the issue.

I agree with delta.... He was either doing something else that caught the cop's eye or he was stopped by a transplant cop. There has never been any law restricting the carry of machetes in Texas anywhere (to my knowledge). Well, with the exception of Corpus Christi's now-defunct ban on all fixed blades, which even when in place, had an exemption for work related tools. Every vehicle we own has a machete (and more), either in their trunks or behind the seats (or strapped to the roll-bar in the case of my tractor).

I will say that your former co-worker was an idiot for having machete in a gun rack. 18" to 24" of spinning death in the event of a collision or roll over. Had an EMS call on a collision where the loose crowbar in the back of the station ended up scratching the driver's neck on it's way through the front windshield. My truck machete is in it's sheath and strapped to a pair of brackets bolted to the cab wall behind the seat, so it won't go flying in arbitrary directions in the event of an accident.
 
I agree with delta.... He was either doing something else that caught the cop's eye or he was stopped by a transplant cop. There has never been any law restricting the carry of machetes in Texas anywhere (to my knowledge). Well, with the exception of Corpus Christi's now-defunct ban on all fixed blades, which even when in place, had an exemption for work related tools. Every vehicle we own has a machete (and more), either in their trunks or behind the seats (or strapped to the roll-bar in the case of my tractor).

I will say that your former co-worker was an idiot for having machete in a gun rack. 18" to 24" of spinning death in the event of a collision or roll over. Had an EMS call on a collision where the loose crowbar in the back of the station ended up scratching the driver's neck on it's way through the front windshield. My truck machete is in it's sheath and strapped to a pair of brackets bolted to the cab wall behind the seat, so it won't go flying in arbitrary directions in the event of an accident.

I pretty much agree with you. This was during the early 1980's. As I recall it was at about 3:00 AM or something like that in downtown Dallas. Pretty much idiot stuff as far as I'm concerned. It stuck to my memory as something "not to do". He actually called a client to bail him out.
 
I agree with delta.... He was either doing something else that caught the cop's eye or he was stopped by a transplant cop. There has never been any law restricting the carry of machetes in Texas anywhere (to my knowledge). Well, with the exception of Corpus Christi's now-defunct ban on all fixed blades, which even when in place, had an exemption for work related tools. Every vehicle we own has a machete (and more), either in their trunks or behind the seats (or strapped to the roll-bar in the case of my tractor).

I will say that your former co-worker was an idiot for having machete in a gun rack. 18" to 24" of spinning death in the event of a collision or roll over. Had an EMS call on a collision where the loose crowbar in the back of the station ended up scratching the driver's neck on it's way through the front windshield. My truck machete is in it's sheath and strapped to a pair of brackets bolted to the cab wall behind the seat, so it won't go flying in arbitrary directions in the event of an accident.

Unfortunately, being bolted down may not provide you with 100% protection in the event of an accident (unfortunately, don't ask me how I know), but you are light years ahead of the guy who put it in his gun rack. IMO, that guy was lucky the officer caught up with him before fate did.
 
In Washington state the laws are written in such vague and broad ways, literally any pocket knife can be considered "concealed" and knives over 3 inches long are "deadly weapons", but that's only if the cop charges it as such. It seems that there really isn't a length law, but then I have heard many cops will check it against the width of you palm. Bottom line is they just keep the laws vague and broad so they can decide if they want four in charge you or not for merely having a knife.

I open carry a fixed blade less than 3 inched if I am worried about it, but also emailed the state attorney general who assured me any picket knife being carried as it was designed wouldn't be charged as a concealed weapon. It's import to remember though the police officer is the one doing the arresting, so all that really means is your time spent in jail would be a day or two versus years.

Practically speaking though most cops don't care, and the only ones that charge bogus knife charges can use it as leverage against something else. Useful for fighting the gang problems especially.
 
Arizona is amazing for carry. However i leave all kind of sharpies at home when i travel to nearby states, besides a CS recon1 tanto.
 
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