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Les Robertson

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Unfortunately, this forum has been taken over by posts both defending and condeming both sides of an issue that all parties now agree should never have been made public.

I have talked with Mike and Kevin. I agree with them that I was out of line, as a moderator, going after Reeve and Emerson with the passion that I did.

But please understand why I did this. Chris and Ernie a both world class knife makers who draw alot of attention with everything they do. They have both worked long and hard to get to this point in their careers.

Because of this very fact, they, more so than most. Must, at all times inform their customers of the truth.

As we all know the truth changes. Also, what the truth is, depends on what side your looking at it from.

My goal as the moderator was to provide information. I feel I have done this in most cases, successfully.

As you have probably gathered by know, I am very passionate about custom knives. I still can't sleep the night before a big knife show. It's the only time I dont need an alam clock to wake up.

The custom knife market consists of an eclectic group of individuals. This group assembles at shows, fourms and web sites all over the world. They do this so they can share in a hobby with others who have the same passion as they.

Most of our friends and loved ones cannot comprehend paying the prices we do for mere "knives". As those of us who own these works of steel, they are not merely "knives". For many of us, they are part of us.

So I hope you understand my passion. I hold those who are more in the public eye to a higher standard. This includes myself. As these individuals can both help and hurt custom knives faster than most in the hobby.

I do not point fingers at people, and whisper behind their backs. I tell them to their face. Further, I accept responsibilty for everything I say or write.

Every successful person we know were viewed as leaders and therefore, like it or not, took on additional responsiblity.

That is why I feel it is my obligation to point out when someone is doing wrong. Just as Mike felt it was his obligation to point out to me that I was wrong.

In the future, I will limit my comments. Should you require additional information please feel to email me, call me or talk to me about it at a show.

One of the things I enjoy most about custom knives is the amount of quality information you can get, just by asking a question.

With this in mind, lets get back to what this forum's intention was. The "friendly" discussion of custom knives.

Les
 
Well said, Les. I agree that we need to get on with some real conversation about why this forum is here.

Glad to see everything turning for the better.

 
When I see the situation it reminds me of the tragic situation of Socrates before the council in Athens.

Les, you had to speak the truth due to your morals and convictions and Mike had to make his decision due to his own set of values as well as responsibilities as owner of the forum. It would have been impossible to ask either of you to back down because as individuals, we all have things that we believe in and convictions we hold dear. Neither side is necessarily right or wrong, the values just differ but do not have to contradict.

Les, I hope you stick around and I can continue to learn from your knowledge about custom and handmade knives.

Sincerely,

Jason Yang
 
Glad to see this is cooling down. I'd hate to see BF lose Les as a valuable resource.

Glad you intend to stay around Les
 
I've been watching this rage for a while now.

Here's my final .02.

Les presented information which is directly relevant to the the custom knife market.

The report that Reeve does not grind his blades was information I would not have known otherwise. It does not change my opinion about Reeve's knives. They're excellent. But, it is relevant information.

As for Emerson, I have talked to both him and his wife by phone when I used to live in LA. Very courteous and knowledgable people. Nice alternative production knives. Well designed.
I am not on the waiting list for a custom. By the time it's delivered the landscape will be filled with newer designs.

There does seem to be a difference between the way A.T. Barr and others behaved when their backlog became overwhelming and the way Emerson behaved (personal problems not withstanding).

The Emerson problem deserved some visibilty because it is relevant information. A problem which many posters raised.

As for unpleasant unrevealed stories or facts or whatever, I have no knowledge whatsoever. However, no matter what they may be I fail to see how it mitigates presentation of the above information.

And finally I think the buck stops with Mike.

I think the two of them (Mike and Les) should try to come to an amicable agreement leading to Les's reinstatement. And let's move on.





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Ron Knight

Yeah I'm crazy, but what do you want me to do about it
 
Les,

I respect your views although we might not always agree (e.g. strict Guild interpretation of "custom maker" as opposed to a more generic definition for use here on the forums). I also applaud your post that started off this thread. There is an old adage about disclosure and the killing of the messenger, but you correctly added a mea culpa as your disclosures included some angst which all now agree in hindsight may have obfuscated things at bit.

Regardless of the moderator status, it is my hope that you will continue to participate as vigorously as you have in the past.

Bob
 
I have just sent an email to the board of advisors and to Les. Hopefully we can come to a good end the this!

Les,

Thanks for your post above. It shows you are a gentlemen.

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Mike Turber
BladeForums Site Owner and Administrator
Do it! Do it right! Do it right NOW!
www.wowinc.com




 
Les: You and I have probably spent hours discussing this issue. Considering the other post that questioned why major publications never give a knife an unfavorable review, and otherrecent events (our President's impeachment?) it seems obvious to me that people are looking for (yearning for?) more. More truth, more honesty and more integrity. I believe you have done your best to deliever on these counts here at Bladeforums. Thanks.
All of us should realize that integrity is an ongoing process-we are either gaining it, or losing it at any particular moment, and, that it knows no bounds. Unfortunately, in today's mode of Political Correctness, having strong opinions and ideals about issues can easily be viewed as a negative thing. I hate this!! It takes all the passion out of life, and all the intensity, and drive, and leaves just a puffy little mess, albeit a polite mess.

So, I hope you will continue to educate, moderate, and demand the utmost from all of us in the Custom (and non-Custom) knife market. Stick with the facts, and you'll be fine.

Sincerely,

RJ Martin
 
Damn.
I've written and deleted this post three times!
Let's drop it here and now.
In the words of the Great and Wise Fish;
"Bygones."
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I cut it, and I cut it, and it's STILL too short!

 
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