LETS SEE THOSE MAGNIFICENT HJ's

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by Campbellclanman, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Robeson and not Robeson stamped- the two Darker Bone Handled Robeson’s Punches and the "Peerless " Stamped lighter Boned HJ...
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    & rear - the Punches are extremely similar
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    Big Brothers Robeson....
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    Early Robeson, smaller HJ- a wee Sweetheart of a Knife..

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    Another Robeson...

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    Gorgeous HJ marked "Peerless Cut Co" Look at that Punch - then look above ^^

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    M Thompson - check the Punch...
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    I don't believe the broad width differences matter so much as some punches had to fit into smaller Frames - but still the same Style of punch- I think simply narrowed down to suit the Frame.



    So upon seeing other knives that sport this Punch - I think- "Aha" - did Robeson sell the Punches to other Factories" ? it would be so great to have Invoices from Cutler companies to validate things like this.
     
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  2. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    This one still gets me, the Punch I have never seen before- and I have looked and looked and looked but have not found anything similar, If anyone does spot a punch on another knife like this I would be MOST grateful.
    This HJ- is one that I like very much - it's a Primble - so someone made this HJ for Primble- Who? Who made this Knife? :confused:

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  3. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    In carrying on with the search, I have accepted that it may take several Years to find who made this HJ for Primble, I have seen an early I*XL Wostenholm HJ with a similar Punch that was very much hollowed out yet not quite as Broad in Width - the vast hollowing out ran the whole way to the Punches Tang, Primbles in the earlier days did use Wostenholm - but at what period I am not 100% sure, if it was during the India Steel Works era?

    Bernard has the India Steel Works circa 1890 - 1940 period, and the possibility of either USA or German manufacture - so a massive expanse of Cutler History / Cutlers to be explored there.
    I have also seen that of the LF& C's that the Punches are Hollowed out as such- but still yet again the halfway ending is not existent on these punches either, and not as Broad as this India Steel Works Punch.

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  4. neal70

    neal70

    Jun 3, 2015
    Duncan, outstanding detective work going on! The uncommoness(?) of the Punch seems like a perfect candidate for a fellow who’s been known to have some made-hint hint;).
    Thanks, Neal
     
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  5. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    I am as flummoxed by that cool punch as anyone, Neal! Can't wait to find the answer to the Great Duncan Punch Mystery!!:) You have a goody there Duncan!!:thumbsup:
     
  6. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Thank you Neal - and Charlie :)
    Neal you are right - Charlie has an immense amount of knowledge- it's funny as Charlie must smack his head against the Keyboard at times when I am trying to work things out and put it out there :oops:
    There's lots to look at in a knife- I never knew just how much and I am 100% sure I still dont know.
    There's Time!
     
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  7. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Speaking of big Ground out Punches, one of my oldest and most loved ( just check out the gorgeous Stag & you'll see why......)ex C. Campagna

    Big and Broad still ready to out work any young fella!

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    Here is a Schatt & Morgan Punch again- Broad and hollowed out - but the Tang of course is quite different to the Waterville..
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  8. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    I sat up with interest when Charlie pointed out the Utica Punch ( but I cant find where now? )
    one like this...
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    Just to confuse one just that little more other Punches are so so similar - are they the same - but have a wee tweak to make them different...
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    Fox Cutlery - with a similar Punch- slightly curved face on this one... ( there is another Fox HJ I own with a different Punch )
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    aaaah yes here it is...
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    Back to the similarities of the Utica Punch...
    Western States Boulder Colo. ( Beautiful HJ with a Curved Frame ) - same styled Punch....
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    So - Utica could have supplied or made these HJ's - I will search some more in this later- what I find I dont know - Charlie do you Know my friend?

    Another Question to @waynorth - Charlie- That stunning Case HJ of yours kind Sir raises Questions as well as many complimentary comments.....

    That Punch on that Case seen here below
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    Compared to the Robeson Punch..
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    Questions about your Case HJ....
    a, Case obtained Punches from Robeson?
    b, Robeson contract made this for Case? Bone looks like Case though....
    c, Is it actually a Robeson Punch? - I am thinking it is?
     
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  9. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Utica's other well known Punch..
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    Seen on lots of Knives...
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  10. Norcaldude

    Norcaldude Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    What year was the HJ-3 made and what blade steel did Queen use on it?
    I just bought one from Campbellclanman and was curious about it. It's a very well made knife. I like it quite a bit.
     
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  11. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    The HJ-1 was the only stainless - 440-c.:) The rest were, and have been 1095 Carbon.
    The HJ-3 was an equal-ender; Queen finished them up in 2006, just after Bill left to open Great Eastern Cutlery!! Queen was in a bind so I waited a while for them!!:rolleyes:
     
  12. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Dont worry Charlie, when it comes to my HJ's I am only selling duplicates I have picked up my friend, never shall I release my precious HJ's!

    Norcaldude grabbed a nice 1 0f 36 Stag Bone HJ!
     
  13. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    Duncan, I am sorry I missed all these great punch questions!! BF has gotten too fast for me!!
    J. Schatt or someone at Schatt designed that laminated Schatt punch, borrowing heavily from
    the previous expired patent by NYK!!:rolleyes: The Utica zig-zag punch was called the "lightning punch"
    when I was a knife whipper-snapper!! It was stamped!!
    The matchstriker pull was always Utica. I don't know whether they made whole knives for others or just the punches - maybe a little of both like Empire did.
    I don't know how Case got into the Robeson - Case used several different punches over the years!!
     
  14. Norcaldude

    Norcaldude Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    If you have any more duplicate HJs you are wanting to sell, I think I caught the HJ fever from this one....
     
  15. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Charlie thank you for coming back to me, yes the road down the Punches does leave one with more Questions than Answers, the only thing that could ever put these questions to rest would be Factory / Cutler Invoices made out to other Factories / Cutlers for either the build of complete Knives or the Supply of Punches.
    You cant blame someone for having a go at copying New Yorks amazing Laminated Punch!
    I suspect in many cases the supply of punches, when I see yours and Erics HJ's ( New York ) with say a punch that is a Robeson- the rest of the knife is so undoubtedly New York that one could assume it was a brought-in Punch from another firm and assembled in the NY Factory.
    I see that Match-strike pull on a few Punches, Winchester from memory? Fox cutlery and there were some other examples -I would have to look back.
    Most Intriguing that's for sure, and it certainly keeps my hunger going for this pattern.
     
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  16. Markeologist

    Markeologist

    Jul 21, 2018
    ...I got bit by that bug too:
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  17. pmek5

    pmek5 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 27, 2007
  18. knowtracks

    knowtracks Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 16, 2006
    ^^^^ Stunning pair, right there! :D:thumbsup:
    Dave
     
  19. redsparrow

    redsparrow Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 3, 2014
    Had this stout Schatt been there "Back in the Day" a hard working teamster could have counted on it to accomplish some tough tasks. Today it's assignments are quite mild in comparison but it's still a solid and useful tool to have in pocket.

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  20. waynorth

    waynorth Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Nov 19, 2005
    Cool Schatt, redsparrow!!:thumbsup:
     
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