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Let's see your stone collection!
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What is that big red one in the middle?Stones:
water tub/sink bridge + grinder W/VFD for heavier work :
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I don't feel like trying to pile up all my sharpening equipment, so how about a list instead?
Diamond Plates
Diamond Plates
- Atoma 140
- Atoma 400
- Atoma 1200
- DMT XXC
- DMT XC
- DMT F
- DMT EF
- DMT EEF
- Spyderco Sharpmaker with CBN, M, F and UF rods
- Spyderco M Benchstone
- Spyderco F Benchstone
- Spyderco UF Benchstone
- Baryonyx American Mutt Stone ~60 grit
- Norton India coarse
- Norton India fine
- Norton Crystolon coarse
- Norton Crystolon fine
- Sigma Power Select II 240
- SPS-II 1,000
- SPS-II 3,000
- SPS-II 10,000
- SPS-II 13,000
- King 1,000
- King 4,000
- Naniwa Superstone 400
- Naniwa Chosera 400
- Naniwa Aotoshi 2,000
- Naniwa Junpaku 8,000
- Naniwa Superstone 12,000
- Bester 1,200
- Suehiro Rika 5,000
- Fallkniven CC4
- DMT Diafold C
- DMT Diafold EF
got it here:
https://www.mtckitchen.com/tsukiji-masamoto-sharpening-stone-for-knives-medium-grit-1000/
in reality it's just a re-branded XL King 1000
O ok. I tried a regular king 1000 and I wasn't overly impressed. I liked it but I think I kinda like harder stones. I got the red brick 1000 grit stone on a whim from CKTG and liked it better... well I liked it better after i sharpened about 20 knives on it and lapped it several times. Seems like the outside of it was very inconsistent. Tomorrow I will snap some a picture of my stones just been away from home
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I am really envious of all the j nats. Someday when have a good set of synthetics I like I would love to try them.
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Yes and no.
Like all Shapton products it quality is head and shoulders above anything I have used. It doesn't clog like most diamond plates do on softer stones and when used on the Shapton Glass stones it produces a surface texture that actually makes the stone feel better and cut smoother. It's said it can be used on the 500 grit and up Glass stones but I typically reserve it for 1k and up stones... I've had some issues with it actually smoothing the SG500 and reducing its sharpening ability.
It also produces a flatter surface than my diamond plates, not something the average Sharpener might notice but when used a lot it's noticeable. If You have a Glass stone set-up like I do then I feel it's a bit of a must have because it was all designed to work in unison.
It's a very nice piece and I don't regret the purchase but it's not something I would recommend to the non-professional. It's very expensive and will not offer the average user anything that the Atoma or DMT lapping plates couldn't. It can only be used on medium and fine grit stones and cannot be used to sharpen on. All that said, the Atoma 140 is probably the best and most reasonably priced diamond plate you can buy for lapping waterstones.
Like all Shapton products it quality is head and shoulders above anything I have used. It doesn't clog like most diamond plates do on softer stones and when used on the Shapton Glass stones it produces a surface texture that actually makes the stone feel better and cut smoother. It's said it can be used on the 500 grit and up Glass stones but I typically reserve it for 1k and up stones... I've had some issues with it actually smoothing the SG500 and reducing its sharpening ability.
It also produces a flatter surface than my diamond plates, not something the average Sharpener might notice but when used a lot it's noticeable. If You have a Glass stone set-up like I do then I feel it's a bit of a must have because it was all designed to work in unison.
It's a very nice piece and I don't regret the purchase but it's not something I would recommend to the non-professional. It's very expensive and will not offer the average user anything that the Atoma or DMT lapping plates couldn't. It can only be used on medium and fine grit stones and cannot be used to sharpen on. All that said, the Atoma 140 is probably the best and most reasonably priced diamond plate you can buy for lapping waterstones.
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I think this is an important thread. I would like to keep it going. I will show my modest collection (and add my normal verbose, volumous, verbiage as normal) in the hopes of encouraging others to post. Common . . . photos make it . . . am I right ?
I store stones I am not using in the tool crib but the ones I want close to hand are stored in the kitchen under that cabinet near the sink . . . in accord with the sharpening equipment storage treaty of 2013 signed by The Chef and I after much moderation, counseling, artillery fire and blood shed . . . mostly my own. Shes tough !
Key to my use of the full size water stones such as the Shapton Pros is the black mat. And not shown are three different colored wash cloths that I use to wipe the mat and the blade. I wet them, fold them and place them on the counter just off the mat. One I use for coarse grit work only, one for mid grit clean up and one for the finest stones like 8,000 and 15,000. Forgive the old vid I have learned much since then but kept my mat
PS: the mat is solid / dense not foam.
[video=youtube;MGutUxC4HiI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGutUxC4HiI[/video]
I wring out a rag as much as possible, wipe the mat to lightly moisten it, slide a damp stone sideways across the mat to the edge of the counter and it sticks like crazy from capillary action. Like magic. No stone holder ever needed. The mat protects the counter if I drop something. Neoprene sold by the foot at industrial bearing and hydraulic equipment centers. Any thickness you want. I covered an entire work bench with it as well.
The anal retentive part of me tells me I get sharper edges and better polishes by using the three rag method It also makes me virtually unable to watch sharpening videos where the presenter is mixing stones and grits in one big tub and using one mop to swab things down with. I suppose that is ok for kitchen knives . . . nah . . . nah . . . grit contamination . . . BLASPHEMOUS DAMNATION !
Well as you can imagine I do a lot of rinsing, stones, blades, my hands the rags and mat. Its a sickness . . . Im in counseling for it.
This is where it all started. The little box marked Sharpening Kit. Frustration kit more like. I dont think I was ever able to sharpen anything with that mess. Arkansas stones; problem is the coarse stone has like two or three different densities and grit sizes along its length and the surface undulates because the densities dont wear the same. The fine stone . . . well it is basically too fine / smooth / non abrasive to do ANYTHING. Looks good though. No I didnt keep it all loaded up like that. I actually treated it really well and used Buck honing fluid on it and kept it well wiped off. We are talking seventies here so that was a while ago.
God does that set of stones SUCK.
I started actually being able to sharpen stuff in the mid eighties when I bought the King 1200 grit water stone. The brick red / brown stone in the other photos.
Water stones . . . yah . . . that was an eye opener. I fool around with other crap but when I want to sharpen something I grab a water stone or five.
The Sharpening Kit is setting on a granite tile. I stick various sand papers to it. And the larger stone up on edge there . . . I dont know . . . I think I found that in my parents attic when I was clearing out the house after they passed. Ive never used it.
Here is Grand Dads razor stone; Ive never used it.
They tell me to never try to flatten it or lap it. This will take off the only usable top layer The majority of the thickness is just base for the top film like layer.
Speaking of sand paper check out these power belt sander belts. When you are done with fooling around and you want to ACTUALLY MOVE SOME METAL look no further. They make everything else look silly. Extra, extra coarse diamond plates . . . yawn . . . 120 grit Shapton Pro stone . . . yawn . . . these Norton blue belts taped to a flat surface . . . OH YAH BABY ! ! ! ! ! !
Same stuff in this blue Norton grinding wheel . . . OH YAH BABY ! ! ! ! ! ! Badda BOOM badda
BING ! ! ! !
Getting back to the first water stone, the King 1200, from there I got some Norton water stones and later my first Shapton . . . the green stone . . . a 2000 Pro stone.
Tried diamond plates for a while. Sucked. I figured I just didnt have enough of them. I bought some more. Sucked. I keep buying them . . . and using them . . . but
Anyway . . . moving on
I retired the Nortons and went all Shapton . . . and . . . Im SO HAPPY.
Shapton 120
I use little hunks of the old Nortons for quick touch ups and very small blades.
The big hunks are here on this shelf in my tool crib. The stone on the left is an Ice Bear 10,000. Came with the weird / modern nagura white stone in front of it.
I bought this Ice Bear when I was using the Norton water stones. Turns out the Norton 8000 produces a better / more consistent mirror than the Ice Bear 10,000. Old Norton made in USA. New Nortons made in Mexico are hit or miss . . . good luck. I only used the 10,000 Ice Bear a few times and on the shelf it went. Its good for sharpening just not for aesthetic mirror polish making.
Before the Shaptons and after the Nortons I fooled around with strops. Note the rock maple block in the middle of this photo. I used it with diamond grease. Well thats kind of a stone right ?
Speaking of Nagura stones. Heres a real one. I cant even find these anywhere now. Used to be I could walk into my local Woodcraft store and grab one out of a bucket. Suddenly . . . well . . . a decade later they have disappeared. I dont know what I will do if I need another one.
Some how I snuck in the Spyderco Ceramic Ultra Fine triangle rod. Its pretty cool. I use it sort of like a steel to doctor up edges that have gotten a little less than silly sharp. It fixes em up quick. I have two now; second one delivered today . . . three days from Cal. USPS brought it over in zero degrees and deep snow. I take back, some of the things I said about USPS. I may cut one in half and add it to my portable "emergency sharpening kit".
Penultimate : Shapton stones for my Edge Pro. This is where it is at for pocket knives. The big shaptons are for large knives or mostly for my hand woodworking edge tools.
So lastly . . . not a stone but . . . I got the paper wheel and put 8,000 grit diamond grease on it. Yah . . . still fooling around with diamonds. This time for my ceramic knives. I have hardly used it. Haven't made the time. Maybe my next snow day off from work. I am not enthusiastic about it. I am enthusiastic about the knife though so I got to figure a way to keep it silly sharp. They tell me this ll do it.
Lastly, lastly . . . may as well end on a classical note. My beloved translucent hard Arkansas stone. I dont use it much at all and when I do I have to be different and use it with water. I really like owning it. I think it is pretty cool. I think this is my most expensive stone . . . come to think of it.
One can spend much much more on natural Japanese stones, like $600, I thought I might get one or two of those for a while but I am so happy with my man made Shaptons that are engineered for the steel that I tend to sharpen most I wouldnt be gaining anything; probably loosing. There's something about a natural hunk of rock though everybody should have at least one good one just for the aura or vibe or what ever. Am I right ?
I store stones I am not using in the tool crib but the ones I want close to hand are stored in the kitchen under that cabinet near the sink . . . in accord with the sharpening equipment storage treaty of 2013 signed by The Chef and I after much moderation, counseling, artillery fire and blood shed . . . mostly my own. Shes tough !
Key to my use of the full size water stones such as the Shapton Pros is the black mat. And not shown are three different colored wash cloths that I use to wipe the mat and the blade. I wet them, fold them and place them on the counter just off the mat. One I use for coarse grit work only, one for mid grit clean up and one for the finest stones like 8,000 and 15,000. Forgive the old vid I have learned much since then but kept my mat
PS: the mat is solid / dense not foam.
[video=youtube;MGutUxC4HiI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGutUxC4HiI[/video]
I wring out a rag as much as possible, wipe the mat to lightly moisten it, slide a damp stone sideways across the mat to the edge of the counter and it sticks like crazy from capillary action. Like magic. No stone holder ever needed. The mat protects the counter if I drop something. Neoprene sold by the foot at industrial bearing and hydraulic equipment centers. Any thickness you want. I covered an entire work bench with it as well.
The anal retentive part of me tells me I get sharper edges and better polishes by using the three rag method It also makes me virtually unable to watch sharpening videos where the presenter is mixing stones and grits in one big tub and using one mop to swab things down with. I suppose that is ok for kitchen knives . . . nah . . . nah . . . grit contamination . . . BLASPHEMOUS DAMNATION !
Well as you can imagine I do a lot of rinsing, stones, blades, my hands the rags and mat. Its a sickness . . . Im in counseling for it.
This is where it all started. The little box marked Sharpening Kit. Frustration kit more like. I dont think I was ever able to sharpen anything with that mess. Arkansas stones; problem is the coarse stone has like two or three different densities and grit sizes along its length and the surface undulates because the densities dont wear the same. The fine stone . . . well it is basically too fine / smooth / non abrasive to do ANYTHING. Looks good though. No I didnt keep it all loaded up like that. I actually treated it really well and used Buck honing fluid on it and kept it well wiped off. We are talking seventies here so that was a while ago.
God does that set of stones SUCK.
I started actually being able to sharpen stuff in the mid eighties when I bought the King 1200 grit water stone. The brick red / brown stone in the other photos.
Water stones . . . yah . . . that was an eye opener. I fool around with other crap but when I want to sharpen something I grab a water stone or five.
The Sharpening Kit is setting on a granite tile. I stick various sand papers to it. And the larger stone up on edge there . . . I dont know . . . I think I found that in my parents attic when I was clearing out the house after they passed. Ive never used it.
Here is Grand Dads razor stone; Ive never used it.
They tell me to never try to flatten it or lap it. This will take off the only usable top layer The majority of the thickness is just base for the top film like layer.
Speaking of sand paper check out these power belt sander belts. When you are done with fooling around and you want to ACTUALLY MOVE SOME METAL look no further. They make everything else look silly. Extra, extra coarse diamond plates . . . yawn . . . 120 grit Shapton Pro stone . . . yawn . . . these Norton blue belts taped to a flat surface . . . OH YAH BABY ! ! ! ! ! !
Same stuff in this blue Norton grinding wheel . . . OH YAH BABY ! ! ! ! ! ! Badda BOOM badda
BING ! ! ! !
Getting back to the first water stone, the King 1200, from there I got some Norton water stones and later my first Shapton . . . the green stone . . . a 2000 Pro stone.
Tried diamond plates for a while. Sucked. I figured I just didnt have enough of them. I bought some more. Sucked. I keep buying them . . . and using them . . . but
Anyway . . . moving on
I retired the Nortons and went all Shapton . . . and . . . Im SO HAPPY.
Shapton 120
I use little hunks of the old Nortons for quick touch ups and very small blades.
The big hunks are here on this shelf in my tool crib. The stone on the left is an Ice Bear 10,000. Came with the weird / modern nagura white stone in front of it.
I bought this Ice Bear when I was using the Norton water stones. Turns out the Norton 8000 produces a better / more consistent mirror than the Ice Bear 10,000. Old Norton made in USA. New Nortons made in Mexico are hit or miss . . . good luck. I only used the 10,000 Ice Bear a few times and on the shelf it went. Its good for sharpening just not for aesthetic mirror polish making.
Before the Shaptons and after the Nortons I fooled around with strops. Note the rock maple block in the middle of this photo. I used it with diamond grease. Well thats kind of a stone right ?
Speaking of Nagura stones. Heres a real one. I cant even find these anywhere now. Used to be I could walk into my local Woodcraft store and grab one out of a bucket. Suddenly . . . well . . . a decade later they have disappeared. I dont know what I will do if I need another one.
Some how I snuck in the Spyderco Ceramic Ultra Fine triangle rod. Its pretty cool. I use it sort of like a steel to doctor up edges that have gotten a little less than silly sharp. It fixes em up quick. I have two now; second one delivered today . . . three days from Cal. USPS brought it over in zero degrees and deep snow. I take back, some of the things I said about USPS. I may cut one in half and add it to my portable "emergency sharpening kit".
Penultimate : Shapton stones for my Edge Pro. This is where it is at for pocket knives. The big shaptons are for large knives or mostly for my hand woodworking edge tools.
So lastly . . . not a stone but . . . I got the paper wheel and put 8,000 grit diamond grease on it. Yah . . . still fooling around with diamonds. This time for my ceramic knives. I have hardly used it. Haven't made the time. Maybe my next snow day off from work. I am not enthusiastic about it. I am enthusiastic about the knife though so I got to figure a way to keep it silly sharp. They tell me this ll do it.
Lastly, lastly . . . may as well end on a classical note. My beloved translucent hard Arkansas stone. I dont use it much at all and when I do I have to be different and use it with water. I really like owning it. I think it is pretty cool. I think this is my most expensive stone . . . come to think of it.
One can spend much much more on natural Japanese stones, like $600, I thought I might get one or two of those for a while but I am so happy with my man made Shaptons that are engineered for the steel that I tend to sharpen most I wouldnt be gaining anything; probably loosing. There's something about a natural hunk of rock though everybody should have at least one good one just for the aura or vibe or what ever. Am I right ?
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Wowbagger
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I can imagine. The quarries are giving out. Are the high dollar stones very old ones or are there freshly quarried stones going for that ?
Hi Sadden !
Hey I wanted to ask you about the little blocks that you have in the plastic tub. Are those Naguras ?
And second question : you have all those bottles of slurry. So you put the slurry on the natural stones ? . . . or are those put on a strop ?
Looks like you have a whole 'nother world going on there than I'm used to seeing.
A bit of a tour would be most welcome. Or more than a bit of a tour. Yes please !
Love the jnats! I am still looking for one that is a great finisher for straight razors! No luck yet so may have to go find me a 12k synthetic so I can get my razors done.
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naniwa pro 400, 1000, 3000
naniwa super 12,000
naniwa diamond 3000
atoma 140
dmt xc,c,f,xf
imanashi 400,1200
king 1k,6k
suehiro 3k
chinese india stone
crystolon stone and puck
mini india stone
soft Arkansas
lansky 5 stone set
dc3, dc4
work sharp field sharpener, and guided sharpening system
green comp.
white comp.
1 micron diamond spray, cbn emulsion
.5 micron cbn emulsion
.25 diamond emulsion
still want more lol
naniwa super 12,000
naniwa diamond 3000
atoma 140
dmt xc,c,f,xf
imanashi 400,1200
king 1k,6k
suehiro 3k
chinese india stone
crystolon stone and puck
mini india stone
soft Arkansas
lansky 5 stone set
dc3, dc4
work sharp field sharpener, and guided sharpening system
green comp.
white comp.
1 micron diamond spray, cbn emulsion
.5 micron cbn emulsion
.25 diamond emulsion
still want more lol
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I'm glad I read through before gathering my makem sharp doodads. I would have just embarrassed myself to post about half a dozen pocket rods and pull sharpeners with my one half decent guided field sharpener.
I did take the plunge and order a couple medium sized combination stones in the 320/800 and 1000/4000 ranges to start sharpening my cheap kitchen knives. They are probably to soft to maintain my Cold Steal D2 Leatherneck but my field sharpener is just big enough to get by on that one.
Wowbaggee, they have programs for guys like you. Maybe it's time for an intervention so we can get you the help you need. At least you could open a museum in a pinch though. You have some good looking tools there.
I did take the plunge and order a couple medium sized combination stones in the 320/800 and 1000/4000 ranges to start sharpening my cheap kitchen knives. They are probably to soft to maintain my Cold Steal D2 Leatherneck but my field sharpener is just big enough to get by on that one.
Wowbaggee, they have programs for guys like you. Maybe it's time for an intervention so we can get you the help you need. At least you could open a museum in a pinch though. You have some good looking tools there.
Wowbagger
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Yah . . . problem is every time I find a counselor I like . . . they find out what I'm really like and start making phone calls trying to pon me off on some body that is good with "problem cases". Then they need counseling . . . things just get messy from there . . .
nah . . . I think the one with the REALLY cool guy stuff . . . Sadden . . . isn't talking' . . .
is he really going to doom me to a life of ignorance ? ? ? ?
sigh . . .
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Sadden . . . isn't talking' . . .
is he really going to doom me to a life of ignorance ? ? ? ?
Just been super busy with the day job, I will expand on what (little) I know about Jnats, and take a closer look at what all I have when I have some free time. I want to make it worth your while