Life before One-Handed openers

Is it easier to close? Is the performance more predictable?
I really don't know because I don't have one.

Never had a problem closing or "predicting" the lockback Spydies though. I never knew about those specific concerns.

Two knives, one with an excellent slipjoint design, and one with an excellent lockback design, otherwise nearly identical. Why would one choose the slipjoint or the lockback for other than political/legal reasons?

This should probably be a new thread though. Maybe I'll do that! Just call me Nancy, Nancy Drew.:cool:
 
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I like the thinner blade profile of some slip joints over most of the thicker modern folders.

In the same breath better steel/construction is nice.
 
sorry no nostalgia here. a spyderco paramilitary is simply a better knife than a case large stockman

Better for your purposes, perhaps, but not for mine. What I don't understand is why y'all pretend this is a black and white issue. We're all knife aficionados, right? Let's just agree to disagree and refrain from denigrating each other's choices.

Me, I prefer slip joints. I own a few Benchmade knives and I like them, but I usually don't need to open my knives with one hand. If I think I might need to deploy a blade quickly, I carry a fixed blade knife. The end.

James
 
Slipjoints don't spontaneously shut on one's fingers. It takes very specific actions to make them close. If a user cannot judge when a slipjoint blade can be made to close, this is a user deficit. These aren't cases of accidental injury, so much as negligent injury.
This.
 
In my observations over a lifetime of carrying; people used to start on slipjoints, learn to use a knife without a lock and so forth. Now it seems people jump that step and go buy a Spyderco lockback. I'm of the opinion that if you can't safely use a slipjoint, you probably don't have any business carrying a knife of any kind. edit to add: My kid will certainly start on a slipjoint around the same age (8) that I did.
 
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Okay, I know I'm getting into old fart status by being a social security retirie, but I have this take on the issue.

What I always find interesting is how the younger crowd who never handled or used a slip joint makes statements on how they are dangerous, they fold up on you with no warning, and other such nonsense. It comes down to the tool user, not the tool. We live in a society that has taken up the blameless aproach to life; nothing is there fault, it must be the---- (fill in the blank for the cause of the moment)

I also find it intersting on how our grandfathers and thier grandfathers before them all the way back to the 1800's got by with simple slip joint pocket knives. This was back when people lived a rural lifestyle and really did need a knife a dozen times a day. The simple barlow and stockman and two blade jack was what they used. There were lockblades around even back in the 1800's. When John Wilkes Booth was killed at Garrets barn, he had a nice lockblade folding dagger on his person. Yet they were not popular with the common working man who had a job to do, be it farmer, cowboy, railroad engineer, or frieght wagon driver. One has to wonder why?

The person who really did need a one hand knife, didn't use them. The sailor. In the 1800's and even into the early 1900's, the square rigged sailing ship was a means of cargo transport. Climbing aloft in bad weather and hanging on for dear life was a scary experiance. I'm not sure I'd have the cajones for it. Yet the seamens knives were of a distinct pattern; a large slip joint with a sheepsfoot blade and beartrap spring. Some sailors simply used a sheath knife. In our fathers time, what was called the greatest generation, they went and fought a world war on many fronts, with such knives in thier pockets like TL-29's, the MLK knife that was simply an all steel scout knife, and some issue stockmen here and there. Oh they had some one hand knives issued out, they were called Ka-bars and MK1's.


Going to the modern pollitacly correct times we find ourselves living in, how many of us really even need much of a knife to get by. We carry all sorts of knives not out of need, but because we have an obsession about knives because we are knife knuts. Heck, most of our co-workers don't even carry a knife. If some of the non-knife knuts out there realize they do need a cutting tool now and then, they buy the smallest thing to drop in thier pockets that will go un-noticed till needed, like a keychain knife. Victorinox makes 9 million classics a year. 9 million a year. That's a hell of a lot of knives no matter how you cut it. Thats more knives probably than Spyderco and Benchmade put together.

I have always had a sneaking suspicion that this modern knife market is an artificially stimulated market, pushing so called new and better designs for the sole end of getting your money out of your wallet and into the manufacuters hands. The knife magaizines have the young budding knife buyers convinced that they really need the lasted whiz bang out the door, no matter if his lastest knife of the month is just a year old. There's the new steel of the month, blade design of the month, and so on. If I took everything to heart that the knife magazines printed, I just don't see how my grandad got by with a mere stockman. And one made out of a common grade rustable carbon steel at that. Simply amazing.

Hype is hype, no matter how it's packaged. Sure, the new knives are some pretty good knives, but they are not the be all excallibur the makers would have you believe. How hard is it too open mail or a UPS box, or do some light food duty on a hike out in the woods? Real world use, not mall ninja fantacies.

I gave some of the so called modern knives a try a while back. They were okay, exept for thick blade profiles and the lack of any versitility by having just one blade on tap. I guess growing up with knives that had a couple different blades and/or tools on them spoiled me. For 25 years I carried a Buck stockman and loved having a choice of blades on hand. This knife served me while I served in the army engineers on three different continents over 10 years, and later in a machine shop. It was used daily. Sometimes used hard. I never had it fold up on me, or not be enough knife for what I was doing.

Knives are knives, and we like them because of our obsession. But lets not get carried away by thinking the latest knives being pushed by proffit motivated companies are all that better than what our great grandfathers used.

It's the tool user that makes the difference, not the tool. I'd bet money that some run of the mill cave guy with his flake of obsidsidian could out do us skinning that deer, with us using the wonder knife of the month.
 
Okay, I know I'm getting into old fart status by being a social security retirie, but I have this take on the issue.

What I always find interesting is how the younger crowd who never handled or used a slip joint makes statements on how they are dangerous, they fold up on you with no warning, and other such nonsense. It comes down to the tool user, not the tool. We live in a society that has taken up the blameless aproach to life; nothing is there fault, it must be the---- (fill in the blank for the cause of the moment)

I also find it intersting on how our grandfathers and thier grandfathers before them all the way back to the 1800's got by with simple slip joint pocket knives. This was back when people lived a rural lifestyle and really did need a knife a dozen times a day. The simple barlow and stockman and two blade jack was what they used. There were lockblades around even back in the 1800's. When John Wilkes Booth was killed at Garrets barn, he had a nice lockblade folding dagger on his person. Yet they were not popular with the common working man who had a job to do, be it farmer, cowboy, railroad engineer, or frieght wagon driver. One has to wonder why?

The person who really did need a one hand knife, didn't use them. The sailor. In the 1800's and even into the early 1900's, the square rigged sailing ship was a means of cargo transport. Climbing aloft in bad weather and hanging on for dear life was a scary experiance. I'm not sure I'd have the cajones for it. Yet the seamens knives were of a distinct pattern; a large slip joint with a sheepsfoot blade and beartrap spring. Some sailors simply used a sheath knife. In our fathers time, what was called the greatest generation, they went and fought a world war on many fronts, with such knives in thier pockets like TL-29's, the MLK knife that was simply an all steel scout knife, and some issue stockmen here and there. Oh they had some one hand knives issued out, they were called Ka-bars and MK1's.


Going to the modern pollitacly correct times we find ourselves living in, how many of us really even need much of a knife to get by. We carry all sorts of knives not out of need, but because we have an obsession about knives because we are knife knuts. Heck, most of our co-workers don't even carry a knife. If some of the non-knife knuts out there realize they do need a cutting tool now and then, they buy the smallest thing to drop in thier pockets that will go un-noticed till needed, like a keychain knife. Victorinox makes 9 million classics a year. 9 million a year. That's a hell of a lot of knives no matter how you cut it. Thats more knives probably than Spyderco and Benchmade put together.

I have always had a sneaking suspicion that this modern knife market is an artificially stimulated market, pushing so called new and better designs for the sole end of getting your money out of your wallet and into the manufacuters hands. The knife magaizines have the young budding knife buyers convinced that they really need the lasted whiz bang out the door, no matter if his lastest knife of the month is just a year old. There's the new steel of the month, blade design of the month, and so on. If I took everything to heart that the knife magazines printed, I just don't see how my grandad got by with a mere stockman. And one made out of a common grade rustable carbon steel at that. Simply amazing.

Hype is hype, no matter how it's packaged. Sure, the new knives are some pretty good knives, but they are not the be all excallibur the makers would have you believe. How hard is it too open mail or a UPS box, or do some light food duty on a hike out in the woods? Real world use, not mall ninja fantacies.

I gave some of the so called modern knives a try a while back. They were okay, exept for thick blade profiles and the lack of any versitility by having just one blade on tap. I guess growing up with knives that had a couple different blades and/or tools on them spoiled me. For 25 years I carried a Buck stockman and loved having a choice of blades on hand. This knife served me while I served in the army engineers on three different continents over 10 years, and later in a machine shop. It was used daily. Sometimes used hard. I never had it fold up on me, or not be enough knife for what I was doing.

Knives are knives, and we like them because of our obsession. But lets not get carried away by thinking the latest knives being pushed by proffit motivated companies are all that better than what our great grandfathers used.

It's the tool user that makes the difference, not the tool. I'd bet money that some run of the mill cave guy with his flake of obsidsidian could out do us skinning that deer, with us using the wonder knife of the month.

There you go. :D :thumbup:
 
Okay, I know I'm getting into old fart status by being a social security retirie, but I have this take on the issue.

What I always find interesting is how the younger crowd who never handled or used a slip joint makes statements on how they are dangerous, they fold up on you with no warning, and other such nonsense. It comes down to the tool user, not the tool. We live in a society that has taken up the blameless aproach to life; nothing is there fault, it must be the---- (fill in the blank for the cause of the moment)

I also find it intersting on how our grandfathers and thier grandfathers before them all the way back to the 1800's got by with simple slip joint pocket knives. This was back when people lived a rural lifestyle and really did need a knife a dozen times a day. The simple barlow and stockman and two blade jack was what they used. There were lockblades around even back in the 1800's. When John Wilkes Booth was killed at Garrets barn, he had a nice lockblade folding dagger on his person. Yet they were not popular with the common working man who had a job to do, be it farmer, cowboy, railroad engineer, or frieght wagon driver. One has to wonder why?

The person who really did need a one hand knife, didn't use them. The sailor. In the 1800's and even into the early 1900's, the square rigged sailing ship was a means of cargo transport. Climbing aloft in bad weather and hanging on for dear life was a scary experiance. I'm not sure I'd have the cajones for it. Yet the seamens knives were of a distinct pattern; a large slip joint with a sheepsfoot blade and beartrap spring. Some sailors simply used a sheath knife. In our fathers time, what was called the greatest generation, they went and fought a world war on many fronts, with such knives in thier pockets like TL-29's, the MLK knife that was simply an all steel scout knife, and some issue stockmen here and there. Oh they had some one hand knives issued out, they were called Ka-bars and MK1's.


Going to the modern pollitacly correct times we find ourselves living in, how many of us really even need much of a knife to get by. We carry all sorts of knives not out of need, but because we have an obsession about knives because we are knife knuts. Heck, most of our co-workers don't even carry a knife. If some of the non-knife knuts out there realize they do need a cutting tool now and then, they buy the smallest thing to drop in thier pockets that will go un-noticed till needed, like a keychain knife. Victorinox makes 9 million classics a year. 9 million a year. That's a hell of a lot of knives no matter how you cut it. Thats more knives probably than Spyderco and Benchmade put together.

I have always had a sneaking suspicion that this modern knife market is an artificially stimulated market, pushing so called new and better designs for the sole end of getting your money out of your wallet and into the manufacuters hands. The knife magaizines have the young budding knife buyers convinced that they really need the lasted whiz bang out the door, no matter if his lastest knife of the month is just a year old. There's the new steel of the month, blade design of the month, and so on. If I took everything to heart that the knife magazines printed, I just don't see how my grandad got by with a mere stockman. And one made out of a common grade rustable carbon steel at that. Simply amazing.

Hype is hype, no matter how it's packaged. Sure, the new knives are some pretty good knives, but they are not the be all excallibur the makers would have you believe. How hard is it too open mail or a UPS box, or do some light food duty on a hike out in the woods? Real world use, not mall ninja fantacies.

I gave some of the so called modern knives a try a while back. They were okay, exept for thick blade profiles and the lack of any versitility by having just one blade on tap. I guess growing up with knives that had a couple different blades and/or tools on them spoiled me. For 25 years I carried a Buck stockman and loved having a choice of blades on hand. This knife served me while I served in the army engineers on three different continents over 10 years, and later in a machine shop. It was used daily. Sometimes used hard. I never had it fold up on me, or not be enough knife for what I was doing.

Knives are knives, and we like them because of our obsession. But lets not get carried away by thinking the latest knives being pushed by proffit motivated companies are all that better than what our great grandfathers used.

It's the tool user that makes the difference, not the tool. I'd bet money that some run of the mill cave guy with his flake of obsidsidian could out do us skinning that deer, with us using the wonder knife of the month.

Jackknife, you're a very wise man. We need people like you to rein us in. I'm with the OP on this one as well.

Vinny
 
Excellent post, Jackknife! I too am from the era where any kid worth his salt carried a pocket knife...at school! Of course today, I have been spoiled by my Emersons, which I carry and use daily.

As you correctly point out, learning to use a slipjoint safely should be the first instruction a young person receives, where knives are concerned. In fifty years, I have only cut myself once with a knife and it was my own fault, not that of the knife. Yes, in today's politically correct crowd, I feel like a dinosaur. But, at least this dinosaur was taught how to use a knife.
 
When John Wilkes Booth was killed at Garrets barn, he had a nice lockblade folding dagger on his person. Yet they were not popular with the common working man who had a job to do, be it farmer, cowboy, railroad engineer, or frieght wagon driver. One has to wonder why?
Maybe much to expensive?

I really agree, that in former times slipjoints were the folders used by the most. They were and are perfectly for the jobs. Be it the anchor knife for sailors or whatever slip joint mentioned.

Function, price and quality were balanced, i guess.

But, locking folders were around that times too. Were they as balanced in quality and price too? I don t know.

I just know one thing: I found modern knives much more comfort to use than traditional folders.

First, the feature a clip. Second, they open one handed, third they stay open.

I don´t compare the red scaled SAKs with other traditional slip joints. Many times, the spings of the traditionals i have had in hands were much stronger, than the SAK (the Spyderco Pen knife seems to me as weak too). The alluminium scaled SAKs are strong enough IMO.

I don´t know, how strong Stockmans are and were, i guess, the are stronger.

Any Laguiolle is strong that it should not fold on you.

I believe, as long as slip joints were manufactured and used, as long ppl. thought about a good lock.

Today, manufacturing offers the finest pieces. I enjoy them very much.

My personal outlook for the future market is, that the martial combar folders will go back and make place to an combination of traditional folder featuring modern parts, like a clip, maybe a lock or a one hand opening option.

The Burger knives seem to go that way.

Simple designs are the new run. Like the Emerson A100 above. :-)))
 
They used fixed blades. Now, if you walk around with the Ka Bar that won WW2 strapped to your side, you'll have the cops called on you. Hence the need for a folding knife that is not obvious, but can be opened with one hand and that has a strong lock....Kinda a "no duh" question...
 
jackknife said it, I always have one or two slippies in my rotation, I own many, my leatherman S2 is essentially a slippie and I carry it every day. I have every knife I ever bought over the last 40 plus years (except a few lost) and they remain active in my rotation. These are great knives that every one should take the time to learn to use correctly and safely.
 
Better for your purposes, perhaps, but not for mine. What I don't understand is why y'all pretend this is a black and white issue. We're all knife aficionados, right? Let's just agree to disagree and refrain from denigrating each other's choices.

Because traditional knife users like to spill into other forums with snide comments and insulting posts about modern designs. I've rarely seen anyone start a thread in the traditional forum denigrating those designs but we often see threads in pretty much every other forum taking shots at modern one-hand knives and those that use them.
 
They used fixed blades. Now, if you walk around with the Ka Bar that won WW2 strapped to your side, you'll have the cops called on you. QUOTE]

Yep.
One-hand opening folding knives, with reliable locks, are useful for filling the niche which used to be filled with sheath knives.
I find the one-hand opening feature to be very useful; when working for a short stint at a sign company, installing signs, there were times when being able to hold onto what needed to be cut, AND being able to get the blade out to cut it, was a necessary thing. In some instances, you don't get to put what you're doing and use 2 hands to open a knife; that is a simple fact.
A sheath knife would have worked as well, but the folder did the trick, didn't attract unwanted attention, and didn't jab me in the side with the handle(something which fixed blade knives often do when you bend sideways).
I'll agree that fans of the modern knives can be obnoxious at times, but so can the fans of old-timey blades. Neither side has a monopoly on asshattery.
 
deermaster: Now, if you walk around with the Ka Bar that won WW2 strapped to your side, you'll have the cops called on you.

You know, the same point is often brought up in discussions of the 2nd Amendment on gun forums, and used as an argument against open carry of a handgun. However, my experience with both knives and guns is that in many places, I just go about my business and nobody cares. Occasionally, when somebody freaks out, I politely and calmly say to the responding officer, "What statute are they claiming a violation of?" The freak-outer has no idea, of course, and many times the officer is also unfamiliar with specific laws. When he sees that I'm not causing any trouble, the situation diffuses and all the bystanders see that "Hey, there's an ordinary guy carrying a gun, and not hurting anybody. Just doing his thing. Huh, I guess maybe guns aren't so scary after all..."

Seems to me, a person who carries a gun or a big knife openly should be familiar with the weapons laws of their state or city. But I also think that if it was more commonly seen, perhaps fewer people would freak out about it. Just a thought.

Parker
 
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