lights on Guns

[SAKsRCool]

fishshooter, I understand what you're saying. A separate light in one hand and the gun in the other hand. You even see Rob Pincus using that technigue in his show. But firing one handed is difficult under stress... Perhaps we should say that a light mounted on the gun is an 'advanced technique' and light spill over will only work at closer distances. My house from one end to the other is only 45' with almost white walls and I live alone so I guess that comes into play.

 

[Jason M D.]

I was recommended a Streamlight TLR combat light.

Anyone have experience with this light? Is it worth the money or should I consider something else?

Will be mounted on a picatinny rail system.

I came across the Veridian C5L in a magazine and have been thinking about one for my G19. It's a newer release and not sure if it's reliable. However, it's compact and looks like it's out of the way. I don't know if 100 lumens would be sufficient and you may not be looking for a laser, but it's another option.

http://www.viridiangreenlaser.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=77

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCW7xSMdZsg

Let us know what you get.

 

[Guyon]

When using a weapon mounted light, you violate Cooper's rule #2 while attempting to accomplish rule #4. I personally think in a "possible" home invasion, using a flashlight technique like the modified FBI with the muzzle down would be a safer alternative. Just my opinion. If you think investigating a bump in the night by pointing a loaded weapon in it's general vicinity is a good idea, I'd go with a Surefire over the Streamlight.

I understand now what you were getting at before, but I also think it depends a lot on individuals and their circumstances, as well as their training. I actually tried to find some material where Cooper may have commented on tactical lights. So far, I found this quote, but I'm sure he has said more about the topic. He doesn't seem to be worried about rule #2 so much as whether or not the light constitutes a sighting system.

We note with some amusement the proliferation of pistol lights in various configurations. We cannot actually call these things "coaxial," since the light and the bore do not constitute a single axis. However, the idea is there. Your illuminator should show you approximately where your bullet will strike, but we should not view this as a sighting system since its alignment is insecure and it tends to slow down the firing stroke. I experimented with this many years ago when we were still living in California, and found it more useful as a shotgun enhancer, in its combative sense. You are never going to improve your skeet score with a light or a laser, nor will you improve your tally on ducks, but it may be a distinct asset in house clearing situations. I believe the combat shotgun to be the most efficient house defense implement, and I think the light offers certain advantages in repelling boarders after dark. It is not widely offered in this fashion over-the-counter, and moreover it does not help the expert as much as it does the novice.

Source: http://dvc.org.uk/jeff/jeff13_1.html

 

[Les Snyder]

as much as it sounds like heresy, both Elmer Keith and Jeff Cooper lied to me. In the case of Elmer...that Hoppes bore cleaner won't change the point of impact....only about 6 inches at 200m Elmer, and Uncle Jeff's admonition that the only way to shoot a 1911 is with the high thumb on safety, full Weaver stance... sorry Jeff, the thumb forward, semi isoceles will beat you every time...we are greatful to these pioneers of pistolcraft, but we have moved forward...a friend was responsible for developing the SOPMOD kit for the M4 carbine, and was criticized for inclustion of a weapon mounted visible light. We've come a long way from the 5 cell MagLight in size reduction and intensity. Talk to the young troops that searched a pitch black cave or conducted night ops at "o dark thirty". They love their lights. SureFire is a major sponsor of my favorite sport... regards Les

 

[hung-solo]

as much as it sounds like heresy, both Elmer Keith and Jeff Cooper lied to me. In the case of Elmer...that Hoppes bore cleaner won't change the point of impact....only about 6 inches at 200m Elmer, and Uncle Jeff's admonition that the only way to shoot a 1911 is with the high thumb on safety, full Weaver stance... sorry Jeff, the thumb forward, semi isoceles will beat you every time...we are greatful to these pioneers of pistolcraft, but we have moved forward...a friend was responsible for developing the SOPMOD kit for the M4 carbine, and was criticized for inclustion of a weapon mounted visible light. We've come a long way from the 5 cell MagLight in size reduction and intensity. Talk to the young troops that searched a pitch black cave or conducted night ops at "o dark thirty". They love their lights. SureFire is a major sponsor of my favorite sport... regards Les

that is a total different ball game than home defense. home defense you have to take into consideration that it maybe a child roaming the house, a friend or whatever.. that being said i do have a light on my glock and i also dont roam the house with my finger on the trigger either but i always use a tac light in the left hand therefore i have 2 lights. i sweep with my tac light not my weapon light.

 

[ajpalda]

No problems with it so far - far range, very bright.