Lightweight ManixII questions

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Does anyone have any information on how this will compare to to the G-10 version? Is it lined? Also how does the BD-1 steel compare to 154CM?
 
The ad copy specifically states G10 is lined, but doesn't say that about the FRN.

I've wondered about the strength, too- I'm pretty sure the strength will be greater than most FRN knives, but less than a lined G10.
 
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Looks like the prototype isn't lined. That could change tho. But I think it would defeat the purpose of "light weight" if they added liners to it.
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The grooves you see inside the handle are there to add rigidity to the FRCP, same as you could do with a piece of sheet metal. That is taking the place of any liners.
 
This answers a lot. Keep in mind this s from march, and im positive much has changed since Eric spoke in this video.

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Spectre said:
Are those grooves (material removed) or ridges (material added)?
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Most likely they are neither. Frn handles are molded, so they would be cast that way. It's doubtful that they would mold them, then machine the grooves out, or add them in.

I've been wrong before though
 
ctk123 said:
Most likely they are neither. Frn handles are molded, so they would be cast that way. It's doubtful that they would mold them, then machine the grooves out, or add them in.

I've been wrong before though
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It can still have grooves or ridges and be molded. He didn't mean literally mill out a groove and remove material but that there is less material than if it was a flat piece of plastic. If I were to guess I would say ridges but I doubt anyone will know until they are released and in peoples hands. Also, are these going to be FRN or some other plastic? Don't think I've ever seen translucent nylon before.
 
Thanks for the responses. I have a 154CM Manix which I really like but sometimes the weight can be a bit much in pocket. I'm wondering if this can be considered a lightweight alternative or if it's a knife built for a completely different use that looks very similar.
 
I suspect they are ridges and that they, and the perimeter of the handle, are thicker than the areas they enclose. Blue version in the catalog pic still appears to be transparent, so it does not look as if liners have been added. And, while catalog specs are not always correct, the listed weight of under 3 oz also suggests it is unlined. Handle material is called FRCP - fiberglass reenforced co-polymer. Not sure how it compares to FRN in terms of rigidity, only ways to find out are either to buy one when they come out, or rely on the opinions of those who do.

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Well, I've pre-ordered one, and would think Spyderco will have them at SHOT.

And, yeah, FlaMtnBkr has it right. I didn't mean an additional process besides molding- "ribs" are another, biological way to describe additional cross-support structures. :)

John
 
I'm going to be blunt here.

xtestifyx said:
If anything, the CTS-BD1 steel is a downgrade from 154CM.

CTS-BD1 is Carpenter's recreation of Gin-1, a steel used many years ago known as Gingami-1 made by Hitachi

"GIN-1. A Hitachi-made low cost stainless steel comparable to, but softer than, AUS-8. Generally hardened in the mid to high Rc 50s. A tough, corrosion-resistant steel."
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One thing I'm noticing in Mr. Blonde's video is that it appears to have a full length backspacer. If that's the case, it should add rigidity and strength.

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Spectre said:
The ad copy specifically states G10 is lined, but doesn't say that about the FRN.

I've wondered about the strength, too- I'm pretty sure the strength will be greater than most FRN knives, but less than a lined G10.
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It's very valuable, Now I got it, Thanks for your analysis! It is just the solution for my problem.
 
The night before the end of SHOT, Sal got the results of their pressure testing. I'm not going to give the actual number at Sal's request, but it's strong enough. ;)

John
 
Locust said:
So do you mean that Gin-1 is like BD-1?
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Spyderco has a Mule available in BD-1. Here's how they describe the steel in the advertising for that Mule...

High-performance American-made blade steels are propelling the quality and performance of today&#8217;s knives to new and higher levels. A U.S.A company called Carpenter Steel recently entered the knife making arena, cutlery people noticed. Carpenter isn&#8217;t a newcomer to alloy manufacturing just a new-neighbor in the community of blade steel manufacturing and they&#8217;re launching a new family of alloys called CTS&#8482; steels specifically for cutlery. One of those is CTS-BD1. CTS-BD1 is patterned on Gingami I (also known as G2), the gold-standard for Japanese cutlerers. Its superior edge retention and surface finish are machined to a fine edge and it heat-treats consistently. From a performance standpoint, it&#8217;s a winner and it&#8217;s used in Spyderco&#8217;s latest Mule Team fixed blade.
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IIRC, Sal has also described BD-1 as an "improved version of GIN-1".

I'd imagine that, like a lot of other steel comparisons, whether BD-1 is better or worse than 154CM would depend on what characteristics you consider most important.

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