Line of Tenacious-like knives?

[Frostyfingers]

I'm waiting for my registration at the Spyderco forums to go through so I can post this idea there, but I thought I'd give the idea a try here while I waited.

What would you guys think about a whole line of Spydercos based on the Tenacious? I personally love the Tenacious, and I have yet to hear a bad thing about it. :thumbup: I can't knock the more expensive Spydies, as I have never owned one, but it's nice to actually have an entry-level Spydie that I can actually afford. I understand that the Byrd line of knives is the existing line of budget "Spydies", and I am sure they are good knives, but there's just something about actually having the Spyderco name on the knife...

To sum it up, the Tenacious has been a hit, and I think it would be awesome if Spyderco would produce several variations in similar steels, etc, but in different sizes and styles. What do you guys think? If you think this is a good idea, lets let Sal know, and maybe he can get working on it!

Thanks, all

Frosty

 

[radu1976]

Hi,
I ve heard 99% good recommendations for this knife too but I have seen a bad ad too : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7PnQA7ZPwE - TENACIOUS fail test, or maybe it's the exception from the rule.
Based on these recommendations I am gonna buy a TENACIOUS quite soon and a CARA CARA too...I love too much its lock design , what a pity the TENACIOUS doesn't have the same design there , it would have saved me a few $

 

[knarfeng]

No thank you.

What I want are more American-made Spydercos. Not Chinese. Not Japanese. I want Made in Golden Co, Earth, please.

I understand that VG10 is really only available in Japan. However, there are a couple of variants of 440C from Carpenter and Latrobe that no one is using. I bet they would give 154CM or VG10 a run for their money.

I would like knives in the price range of the Delica, but made in USA with American steel.

 

[Masteroffajitas]

I'd like SS version, and for it to be made in America. I don't know what it is, I try to steer clear of Chinese made knives.

 

[Fred Sanford]

No thank you.

What I want are more American-made Spydercos. Not Chinese. Not Japanese. I want Made in Golden Co, Earth, please.

I understand that VG10 is really only available in Japan. However, there are a couple of variants of 440C from Carpenter and Latrobe that no one is using. I bet they would give 154CM or VG10 a run for their money.

I would like knives in the price range of the Delica, but made in USA with American steel.

Well said. I agree. I don't want $150 Spydies made with VG-10 (like the Native 4 and the Barong), instead I want $150 Spydies made in the USA.

And heck no......I don't want anything made in China. Thanks.

 

[5.56]

I too would love to see more American spydies!

Let's see a show of hands of people who want to buy knives from a communist country.

 

[Dagon]

What I want are more American-made Spydercos. Not Chinese. Not Japanese.

Let's see a show of hands of people who want to buy knives from a communist country

Hand up.
Your computer is 90% made in china.
I general I look at quality and quality/price.
If a product, be it a knife, computer, cellphone or car etc, is excellent for the price it deserves to succeed.
I love the Tenacious. It is an excellent product at the price. So are several Boker Plus products.
I like japanese cars for their dependability. As a result of once laughed at japanese competition, the quality and frugality of European cars increased quite a lot. Even so any Honda is roughly as dependable as my mercedes. The consumer wins. It seems that the american car makers are learning this lesson too late.
I visited Singapore, Vietnam, Hong Kong, China, India more than once, and I saw many really hard working people who want to get a better life by their efforts. If the resulting products are really good, such as the Tenacious, I don't have a problem with redistributing the global wealth. And it is true that there are now a few hundred million dirt poor people less in China and India, because of their economic efforts. After all, isn't this a christian ideal?

Whether we like it or not, several prominent historians agree that the 21st century will be later known as the period when Asia came into prominence. Europe and the USA will still be influential, but less than we are used to.

 

[fp_tourist]

The tenacious is a good quality knife at a great price. Who cares if it's made in china? Where a knife is made doesn't matter, all I care about is quality, and the tenacious has it. I would love for spyderco to produce a tenacious-like line of knives

 

[Dagon]

I would love for spyderco to produce a tenacious-like line of knives

The Sage can be considered as a more up-market variant (but cheaper than usa-made Spydercos).
From a thread on britishblades forum, I learned that Spyderco is prototyping a much cheaper version of the UKPK (FRN handles, 440 steel). I would buy it immediately. And it will be made in the usa, for those who care.

 

[dip_n_ride]

Let's see a show of hands of people who want to buy knives from a communist country.

?

This is 2008. China is no longer "communist." If you're going to type things like that, at least do a little research. Seriously, Google, Wikipedia, anything. Their GDP is around 7 trillion, second only to the US. Doesn't sound very communist to me.

And FYI, I've ordered and sent back a 2 Paramilitaries in the past month that were made in Golden, CO. Both had ~1mm of vertical play, where the Tenacious has none. Maybe I'm just unlucky, but the only Spydercos I have owned (I'm a Benchmade man) that I have felt comfortable keeping for hard use have been made in China and Seki City.

And the OP was asking if people agreed that the design of the Tenacious was good, and if they should expand their product offering based on that design. No need to turn this into some sort of political-economic feud. It's comments like yours that get threads shut down because they have no base in the original post.

For the record, the Tenacious is a great design and I think it would be an excellent idea to expand upon the G10/leaf blade/liner lock. I would have easily bought that knife for $100, and with some better steel (perhaps some VG-10 out of Japan?) I think the Tenacious would be nearly flawless.

 

[5.56]

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This is 2008. China is no longer "communist." If you're going to type things like that, at least do a little research. Seriously, Google, Wikipedia, anything. Their GDP is around 7 trillion, second only to the US. Doesn't sound very communist to me.

China no longer communist? Wow.....just wow! I can assure you, China is still very much communist.

You are a prime example of the complacency that will lead the US into the next Great Depression, possibly this year 2009.

Yes, please use Wikipedia and look at their current Rule, "1949-present, ruling party Peoples Republic of China"....ahem, that's communist rule if you can't read.

 

[dip_n_ride]

China no longer communist? Wow.....you really need to come out of your cave. I can assure you, China is still very much communist.

You are a prime example of the complacency that will lead the US into the next Great Depression, possibly this year 2009.

Communism vs. Mixed Economy. Look it up buddy.

I'm not even going to address the end of your post, as it makes almost no sense.

 

[5.56]

Communism vs. Mixed Economy. Look it up buddy.

I'm not even going to address the end of your post, as it makes almost no sense.

Their economy has nothing to do with their ruling party!

Show of hands please, everyone who thinks China is not communist?

 

[dip_n_ride]

Their economy has nothing to do with their ruling party!

Show of hands please, everyone who thinks China is not communist?

And their ruling political party has nothing to do with their manufacture of knives! This is an issue of economics that you are trying to force into the realm of politics. It's not a big deal, you aren't a bad person or anything, you just need to step out of the Red Scare era. Things are different. Again, it's 2008.

 

[shecky]

China no longer communist? Wow.....just wow! I can assure you, China is still very much communist.

China is communist the way the USA is capitalist. Karl Marx would no sooner approve of China's economy than Adam Smith would approve of America's. The objections here are mostly to obsolete slogans that no longer apply.

I personally have no particular preference to the letters "U", "S", and "A" on the goods I buy. It is interesting that Spyderco is, to a large extent, a boutique manufacturer, and can survive quite well in a market that seems to largely consist of America-first oriented consumers. This is to Glesser's great credit, wanting to produce the best products, period, and if that means producing them in Japan, the US, or China, so be it.

 

[dip_n_ride]

China is communist the way the USA is capitalist. Karl Marx would no sooner approve of China's economy than Adam Smith would approve of America's. The objections here are mostly to obsolete slogans that no longer apply.

I personally have no particular preference to the letters "U", "S", and "A" on the goods I buy. It is interesting that Spyderco is, to a large extent, a boutique manufacturer, and can survive quite well in a market that seems to largely consist of America-first oriented consumers. This is to Glesser's great credit, wanting to produce the best products, period, and if that means producing them in Japan, the US, or China, so be it.

All excellent points. Thank you for shining some more light on the situation.

 

[5.56]

China is communist the way the USA is capitalist.

Yes, thank you for making my point, because Dip-Stick is living in cave I think.

 

[dip_n_ride]

Yes, thank you for making my point, because Dip-Stick is living in cave I think.

You missed his point completely, and took your quote completely out of context. He was saying that both China and the USA have strayed from their original poli-economic "plans" and have become something much different.

In this case, China has strayed away from Communism and complete state governance of the economy, and has adopted economic principles similar to Capitalism.

You seem to do a lot of assuming (complacency, "living in a cave") for someone who has no idea what I do for a living or how I contribute.

 

[enderwiggin]

I don't see a problem with it. I think it's a good thing for everyone. Spyderco has already proven it can produce some very nice knives for dirt cheap in the Byrd line.

We hear all the time on these forums that the average knife user isn't willing to spend much more than the introductory price of an average Gerber, or other low-end knife.

Why shouldn't Spyderco continue to tap into this market, and provide great quality knives in decent blade steel? Their Byrd line puts a lot of their competitors to shame, and this is a very good thing for consumers.

Maybe when people realize they can get quality made knives for 20-30 dollars, once-great companies like Gerber will get their act together.

Inexpensive, well-made knives also keep companies competitive and drive prices down.

Companies like Benchmade have tried low-end lines, and it's backfired in some respects because they can't seem to keep the quality control up. Spyderco doesn't seem to have that problem.

Personally, I really enjoyed the opportunity to give high-quality knives as gifts this season without breaking the bank. Hopefully I've even gotten some friends and family into knives as well.

 

[fp_tourist]

You missed his point completely, and took your quote completely out of context. He was saying that both China and the USA have strayed from their original poli-economic "plans" and have become something much different.

In this case, China has strayed away from Communism and complete state governance of the economy, and has adopted economic principles similar to Capitalism.

You seem to do a lot of assuming (complacency, "living in a cave") for someone who has no idea what I do for a living or how I contribute.

China is making strides against communism, but they're still under communist rule.