Liner Lock quality on Military?

The commonly referred to "spine wack test" directly simulates impacts probable in conflicts. Indirectly it simulates any sudden jarring that acts to close the knife. This does not have to be a push on the spine it could be a pull on the edge which could be the result of actions such as the blade twisting in hard material on slashes or other forceful cuts.

-Cliff

[This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 10 December 1999).]
 
I think I agree with the gist of what Sergiusz is saying; that liner locks are generally safer than people think. Of course, no locking mechanism will ever be as strong as a fixed blade, but the liner lock is an improvement over the lock back in my opinion. Some tests that people perform on liner locks would be silly with lock backs, because the lock backs would always fail.

Take the "white knuckle" test, for instance. Joe Talmadge describes it in the FAQ, "Making believe I'm under stress, I grab the knife in a very firm grip, letting the flesh of my fingers sink in and around the liner to whatever extent this happens. Now the question is will small movements unlock the lock (if a small movement moves the lock AT ALL, assume it can unlock it)?"

There are some serious questions you should ask about the above test, such as: What does "under stress" mean? What grip are you using? What sort of small movements are you making?

By "under stress", I take it to mean that you are in some sort of life-threatening situation, perhaps a fight or car accident. In this type of situation, your grip will be very random. You'll simply want to point the edge at what you want to cut and you'll pay little attention to staying clear of the lock release.

If you pick up a liner lock knife in a variety of different ways, you may never accidently release the lock. However, if you hold a lock back with several different completely random grips, you will frequently release the lock.

As to the question of what grip is being used, Joe says, "The flesh of my fingers sink in and around the liner." This means that you're coming into direct contact with the lock on purpose. Most liner locks won't fail this test (I can't get my Military to fail no matter what I do). However, every lock back will fail this test; if you intentionally come into direct contact with the lock release, the lock will at least partially disengage.

As to "small movements", again, I don't know what this means. If your movements are large enough, you will unlock any folding knife.

I agree that it is more difficult to make a good liner lock and I agree that the "spine-whack" tests are usefull. However, the "white-knuckle" test is hopelessly subjective and ill conceived. When applied realistically, all lock back knives should fail it. I therefore see no reason to expect all liner lock knives to pass it.

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Cerulean
Denver, CO

{Edit p.s. - Weird how you only notice spelling mistakes after the post goes up!}

[This message has been edited by cerulean (edited 11 December 1999).]
 
The white knuckle test is very subjective for different people. Some people can white knuckle most any lock and make them release, fat fingers I guess. But how easily can you make your liner locks fail by white knuckling them? That is all that matters.

Lock backs with the lock release at the butt end of the knife are much more prone to white knuckle failures than midlocks. I trust my delica when it comes to white knuckle failures. But in a reverse grip that's a whole different ball game. Knowing this I am careful if I ever use my delica with a reverse grip.

You could reverse all this and say spine wack tests for lock backs are unnecccessary as mostly all lock backs will pass this test. Use the tests as you will. If you feel a certain test is unneccassary then disregard the test.

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Johnny
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