Lions, wolves and bears..Oh MY!!

hung-solo said:
not panthers.. panthers more often than not take their prey to a higher ground (rock or tree) to eat and store their food.. my guess is yote, wolf or wild dogs. did you see any tracks? small signs are a big indicator
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Scrapings of the deer in the area as it fought but no other tracks. Dogs chase deer but don't know what to do with it when they catch it. This predator went for the organs. We raised a wolf back in the 70's so I know what they do. Haven't seen any of those in the area (too far South) but there have been coyote sightings. I'm not familiar with them though. You think that is possible? My neighbor thinks he has seen at least one.
 
Big cats, if they successfully ambush a prey, will usually clamp down on the throat and shut down the carotid artery, ending the fight pretty quickly. Signs of struggle will usually mean coyotes or wolves I should think.

Large cats aren't much of an issue in NJ, but black bears are. I expect them to establish a regular presence in my neighborhood within 2~3 years or so, and by that I mean raiding people's trash in front of their homes sort of presence.
 
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My friend from work has captured images of two black bears on his game cam. Though they are not supposed to be here in eastern OK, the local PD shot and killed one downtown a couple years ago. And by the way....watch out for the roaming Sasquatches. Lol
 
hung-solo said:
you packin'? lol :D..... good luck on the cougar.
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While looking for bear sign? No, I don't have anything "discrete" that would do much good against a bear, and a long gun would interfere with mobility and photography, and I hate wearing orange. I usually hunt on my own land or family land when I hunt. Besides I couldn't get in up there today anyway. The Prentice Cooper website said they were closed for a managed hunt last weekend, the sign at Prentice Cooper said last weekend, this week, and next weekend too... so I can't get back to that area till next Monday :(

As for when I'm looking for the cougar...maybe.

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A couple years back. I was hiking along a trail that had several culverts(sp). As I was crossing it I started smelling something rotten. I started looking around and found a deer carcass with its back broken. This culvert was only a few feet high. Maybe 6-8. This thing was eaten by something that took the belly out and most of the one side. The only signs that I found were dog like. At that time coyote were not supposed to be in the area. Neither were big cats. Since then coyote are now a major problem. A few cougar/mountian lion/garfield tracks have been seen. So there are animals here that they say were not supposed to be. I also carry my pistol now whenever I hike.
 
AKboy said:
if you leave a bear alone it will leave you alone, they have to be pretty hungry to come after you, just dont mess with their young that really pisses them off
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Nope dead wrong, there are predatory bear attacks

One of the best books out there imo
Bear Attacks, there cause and avoidance
 
Goldtanker said:
.... What do you think did this?

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Not saying it is, but that sure looks like the work of a feral dog.

I have seen many sheep in the snowy mountains region of OZ that look just like this after a feral dog attack.



Kind regards
Mick
 
If you look at the record of Cougar caused deaths and injuries, an astounding number of people survived with minor wounds by kicking, poking with sticks or beating the cougars with rocks or firewood. In several cases, the cougar was dispatched with folding knives.

Whether bear, cougar or wolf, a big determining factor in survival is the will to live and/or protect others' lives. Fight like your life depended on it. Big cats, particularly, are loath to sustain injuries to their face and head in order to take down prey.

28-year-old Phil Anderson was attacked by an approximately 80 pound mountain lion in Olympic National Park about 20 miles west of Port Angeles, Washington. The lion moved out of the shadows "smoothly and quickly". A mountain biker and wrestler, Anderson first ran backwards but fought when it leapt on his chest. Anderson fell to his back, locked his legs around the cougar, flipped over and buried his thumbs in the animal's throat and choked the cat in and out of consciousness. He kept the front paws pinned back with his forearms. After about two and a half or three minutes, the cat still wriggling, got Anderson's thumb in its mouth and smashed it. That gave the cat the edge. Anderson lost his grip, and the cat's claws went into a whirl and managed to rip through his thick sweatshirt in a couple of places, giving Anderson puncture wounds to the chest. Not wanting more, the lion then fled. Park Rangers declined to hunt down the lion, stating that having so many lions in that area would make it difficult to know which one it was. *******************************************

VICTORIA (CFAX) — A 62-year-old man fought a life-and-death battle with a cougar on Thursday night in Port Alice, and survived.
The man was jumped at about 7:30 p.m., apparently from behind, by an adult male cougar while walking on a road on the outskirts of town. As he was being mauled, he turned around to face the cat, managed to pull out a pocket knife, and stabbed the cougar to death.

The man did not come through unscathed, but made it to hospital in Port Alice. He has since been transferred to Victoria for plastic surgery.
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The chances of your being attacked are slim. If you fight back, the chances of your being killed are reduced further. But each predator species has it's own quirks, things that trigger attacks. It pays to learn them.
 
Codger_64 said:
If you look at the record of Cougar caused deaths and injuries, an astounding number of people survived with minor wounds by kicking, poking with sticks or beating the cougars with rocks or firewood. In several cases, the cougar was dispatched with folding knives.

Whether bear, cougar or wolf, a big determining factor in survival is the will to live and/or protect others' lives. Fight like your life depended on it. Big cats, particularly, are loath to sustain injuries to their face and head in order to take down prey.



The chances of your being attacked are slim. If you fight back, the chances of your being killed are reduced further. But each predator species has it's own quirks, things that trigger attacks. It pays to learn them.
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Thanks, Codger. I always roll my eyes when some armchair expert rolls into a discussion and pronounces it pointless to discuss resistance from a cougar attack, because "They'll attack from behind! You'll never see it, and there is nothing you can do about it!" :rolleyes:
 
There is almost always something you can do if you don't freexe up and allow the critter to have it's way with you. What you do may or may not be effective, but it will seldom make the situation worse. Protect your neck. Go for their own soft spots (eyes, nose, etc.). Watch your cat and your dog. What do they hate done to them that makes them back off? How do they fight each other? No one tactic is foolproof. As we can well see by urban encroachment of critters, few places are 100% safe from lions, wolves, coyotes and bears. Chances of an attack on you are remote. But the odds of someone being attacked seem to be increasing as people move toward critters and critters move toward people. Awareness of critters and their habits can help stack the odds in your favor. I would much rather have a cool story to tell about the lion, wolf or bear that couldn't swallow an eight pound rock, or ran away blind, and a few scars to show than to be featured in a newspaper article as a fatality.
 
A few years back we had a couger get hit by a car on I-80 a few miles west of Omaha. I'm staying off of I-80!:eek: :D
 
Codger_64 said:
There is almost always something you can do if you don't freexe up and allow the critter to have it's way with you. What you do may or may not be effective, but it will seldom make the situation worse. Protect your neck. Go for their own soft spots (eyes, nose, etc.). Watch your cat and your dog. What do they hate done to them that makes them back off? How do they fight each other? No one tactic is foolproof. As we can well see by urban encroachment of critters, few places are 100% safe from lions, wolves, coyotes and bears. Chances of an attack on you are remote. But the odds of someone being attacked seem to be increasing as people move toward critters and critters move toward people. Awareness of critters and their habits can help stack the odds in your favor. I would much rather have a cool story to tell about the lion, wolf or bear that couldn't swallow an eight pound rock, or ran away blind, and a few scars to show than to be featured in a newspaper article as a fatality.
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You are right. About 12 years ago, a friend of mine was hunting turkeys in an area near Redding, CA. A healthy mountain lion ran right at him and was undetered by a warning shot from a 12 gauge shotgun. He had to kill the lion who died right at his feet. He immediately contacted game wardens and was cited. After numerous court appearances, he and his partner were acquitted. A fact that a lot of people don't know is that unless the animal (mountain lion, bear, etc.) wounds you (causing blood to flow), it is not considered an attack. It's strange that the stats for mountain lion attacks in Southern CA stop at 2007. Many attacks have occurred since then, a few being fatal. One occurred in an area close to the Mission at San Juan Capistrano.
 
Five 'problem' Grizzly's relocated up here in the last week; one bear euthanized; two attacks on hunters requiring hospitalizations - oh my!
 
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