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Liquid Fuel Stove for Winter?

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Guys,

Can you recommend a good, reliable, relatively lightweight white gas stove for cold weather winter conditions (i.e. -20 to 0)?

Mostly melting snow for re-hydrating meals and making warm drinks.

I've got alky's and a Pocket Rocket, but want something more reliable and efficient for winter shoeing and camping trips.

I've been eyeballing this Brunton Bantam, but have no experience with anything but old Coleman lanterns :)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001MV739C...e=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B001MV739C
 
does it have to be white gas? (naptha).

dont get me wrong i prefer Naptha for winter too but lately my MSR Reactor (iso/pro fuel) has been kicking naptha's butt..........
 
I'd go with the Coleman Multi-Fuel Exponent or the Feather 442 Dual Fuel Exponent myself. Between the two, I'd probably go the multi-fuel route. It is lighter and comes with a kerosene generator as well as a unleaded gasoline/Coleman fuel one.
 
My experience over the years with the MSR Dragonfly allows me to recommend this stove with confidence.
 
ejes said:
I'd go with the Coleman Multi-Fuel Exponent or the Feather 442 Dual Fuel Exponent myself. Between the two, I'd probably go the multi-fuel route. It is lighter and comes with a kerosene generator as well as a unleaded gasoline/Coleman fuel one.
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+ 1 If it get real cold some times you have to heat the generator with some trioxane or firepaste.
 
I've kind of gone backwards a little..gotten away from the separate fuel bottle/stove.(MSR's types) They do work dont get me wrong but that old Coleman 442 is just eaiser to carry and care for. I also saw a Coleman 553 (?) thats gotten my attention. Its a little smaller and lighter. I go with the above poster and use firepaste to preheat the generator. best of luck.
 
+1 for MSR dragonfly, boils and simmers beautifully. Actually, it's hard to beat MSR liquid fuel stoves. They're reasonably priced and easy to rebuild. Made in Seattle. They'll last forever with maintenance. If you're just boiling water/melting snow their XGK-EX is one of the toughest, most reliable stoves in existence. Compact too. It's designed to melt snow/boil water only. http://cascadedesigns.com/msr/stoves/expedition-stoves/xgk-ex/product

I assume you're familiar with white gas/naptha stoves in cold weather? If not, they need to be well primed [pre-heated] ... especially in cold weather or you'll lose your hair.
 
redpoint said:
... especially in cold weather or you'll lose your hair.
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thats awesome lol. i use my bushbuddy stove for winter. works fine and im not really in a rush anyways.


down the road i suppose i'll invest in a white gas stove. during my research alot of people recommended the msr xgk as well. seems like a good well built stove when i saw it in stores.
 
I use an Optimus Nova for snow camping, and I really like it.

Canister stoves will be pretty much useless at -20 F, even isobutane/propane.

And I really doubt that MSR stoves are being made in Seattle any more, check the box next time you see one in a store. MSR is based there, but virtually all outdoor gear that you can buy in places like REI are actually made overseas.
 
lambertiana said:
I use an Optimus Nova for snow camping, and I really like it.

Canister stoves will be pretty much useless at -20 F, even isobutane/propane.

And I really doubt that MSR stoves are being made in Seattle any more, check the box next time you see one in a store. MSR is based there, but virtually all outdoor gear that you can buy in places like REI are actually made overseas.
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Actually, Cascade Designs builds the majority of their products in the USA, their stoves being one of these products. Even Therm-a-Rests, Platypus hydration systems, and Seal-Line bags etc. are designed and built there. MSR tents, pots etc. are made in Asia.

MEC in Canada [for those not familiar] specifies where everything is made. MSR stoves are one of the last one's to be made in the US ... even Euro brand stoves are increasingly being manufactured in Asia.

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_...older_id=2534374302696549&bmUID=1256880124156
 
this is going to make me sound dumb..i just know it. :) how much is 1590 grams? converted to good ole US ounces? I like both the climber and the hiker. I may have to check them out closer.
 
Anrkst6973 said:
this is going to make me sound dumb..i just know it. :) how much is 1590 grams? converted to good ole US ounces? I like both the climber and the hiker. I may have to check them out closer.
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Heavy ... that's what that is ... 1590 g = 56 oz

I hope that's with a giant full fuel bottle too! No stove that weighed 1590 g and called the "climber" would ever be carried by a climber. :)
 
Thanks Redpoint. You are right, Thats heavy! Saftey/Side note: I picked up a 442 in the store yesterday and opened the box (in clear violation of "da rules") and this one had been dropped or sguashed in some way. The burner assembly was bent/warped at the tank junction. (The Big Bang Theory would result if you lit that one up.) so please inspect VERY carefully any stove or iso bottles that you get, more so if they had to be shipped via a parcel service.
 
When using white gas stoves in cold climates and high altitudes, spend a little more and add a pump to it. This will save you so much time & effort by pressurizing the tank so you get a gas flame immediately.
 
I've an old Coleman 442 I really like for extreme cold. It doesn't get much of a look in now because with my butane / propane burner having a pre-heater tube and a remote bottle that can be kept warm its capabilities are expanded over what one might expect from a traditional canister stove. That said, the coldest I've run that was -5 C and it was pretty clear even then that if it were to get any colder or that I'd be out for a few days my 442 would utterly trounce it.
 
When it comes to winter, I rely on my MSR whisperlight. Its a bit of a pain, but a full fuel tank goes a long way. The fact that you pressurize the tank means you can adjust to cold. The fact that you use the warming plate to warm the transfer tube/vaporize the gas, means it will always work in the cold. The need to use the warming plate is a pain in other times of the year. However, the design is for making it overbuilt to cold conditions. If cold is what you are going for, I think these systems are the best.
 
redpoint said:
Heavy ... that's what that is ... 1590 g = 56 oz

I hope that's with a giant full fuel bottle too! No stove that weighed 1590 g and called the "climber" would ever be carried by a climber. :)
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I don't know what Climber your talking about but the Svea 123 weighs 19oz empty.
 
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