Loaded Guns To Be Allowed in National Parks

Triquetra

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I hope this hasn't already been posted. I didn't see it, but I just read that soon the Bush administration is overturning the federal law that restricts loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. It says that you have to have a permit for concealed carry and that the state has to allow it but if you meet the requirement you'll be allowed to carry and protect yourself. This will be great for those outdoor excursions, hiking, and camping trips where you could at times be at risk. Don't know all of the particulars but maybe someone here does.
 
on_the_edge said:
Good news. I wonder though if this thread will get moved to Political.
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I wondered if it was ok to post this here but we're always talking about carrying firearms when in the outdoors. What to carrry, how to carry, where you can or cannot carry, and times that you've been glad that you were carrying. I thought that this might be of interest to most here. But if it needs to be moved, I'm alright with that. I want to follow the forum rules.
 
I think it's relevant and newsworthy in Wilderness and will stay as long as it doesn't become contentious.

This audience is certainly the one who will benefit the most from the news.
 
I see no problem with it...

...other than some bozo thinking he can walk right up to a bison during mating season and think he'll be safe because he's packing heat. I hope it doesn't end up giving people a false sense of security.
 
There seem to be too many ifs and buts there. Some states don't permit carry in a state park but it's OK in a state forest !! In any case then there's the choice of guns. Maybe a light weight wheel gun would be good.Training and practice please ,it's not a magic wand !
 
dang, I got excited there for a minute....doesn't really help those of us in the gun fearing state of California, you have to have a concealed carry permit to begin with for it to be allowed in a National Park.
 
C Bryant said:
dang, I got excited there for a minute....doesn't really help those of us in the gun fearing state of California, you have to have a concealed carry permit to begin with for it to be allowed in a National Park.
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You just live in the wrong part of Kommiefornia. I have a permit, some counties believe in the second amendment.

The original version would have made the requirement the same as local and state parks; if you can't carry with a CCW in local and state parks, you would not be able to do so in national parks. But the final version does not include this restriction. It says that if you have a valid CCW in the state in which the national park is located, you can carry in the national park with that CCW.
 
lambertiana said:
You just live in the wrong part of Kommiefornia. I have a permit, some counties believe in the second amendment.
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You are absolutely right on that, let me correct myself.... Doesn't help us in Southern California at all. Though buzz down here is that there is quite a few police organizations as well as other groups with some pull, who are really sticking it to the new sheriff to ease up on the ccw restrictions and begin issuing again or they will withdraw their support when her "probationary" period is over. So hopefully some good news.
 
Guyon said:
I think it's relevant and newsworthy in Wilderness and will stay as long as it doesn't become contentious.

This audience is certainly the one who will benefit the most from the news.
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What Guyon said.
 
C Bryant said:
You are absolutely right on that, let me correct myself.... Doesn't help us in Southern California at all. Though buzz down here is that there is quite a few police organizations as well as other groups with some pull, who are really sticking it to the new sheriff to ease up on the ccw restrictions and begin issuing again or they will withdraw their support when her "probationary" period is over. So hopefully some good news.
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Assuming the ink dries, you just have to pick our parks and do some homework. For example you can get some states CCW even if out of state. I believe Utah's is quite easy to obtain. Montana accepted all CCWs from all states, last time I checked. :)

The requirement for a CCW is only a baby step in the right direction. It helps set up precedence for required licensing for normal carry...which is a bad thing.

Gun rights are rights.
 
Well, i don't mean to offend but i think this is a horrible idea. why the hell would you guys be excited that a bunch of idiots (at this point I'm going to say that I am not generalizing that ONLY America has idiots, or that people with guns are idiots. iI'm just saying that there are a lot of irresponsible people in the WORLD and SOME of those people live in America and carry guns.) where was i? oh right, that a bunch of Yahoo's will be walking into your national parks armed. Then what is the purpose of a national park? i thought the whole point was for the protection of animals? As much as i don't think that anyone here at the forum would be irresponsible with a weapon in the parks i have my suspicions that this will add a new element of danger for The animals first off, and secondly the people who are trying to enjoy the park.

that's all i wanted to say.
 
Sharp_newbie said:
Well, i don't mean to offend but i think this is a horrible idea. why the hell would you guys be excited that a bunch of idiots (at this point I'm going to say that I am not generalizing that ONLY America has idiots, or that people with guns are idiots. iI'm just saying that there are a lot of irresponsible people in the WORLD and SOME of those people live in America and carry guns.) where was i? oh right, that a bunch of Yahoo's will be walking into your national parks armed. Then what is the purpose of a national park? i thought the whole point was for the protection of animals? As much as i don't think that anyone here at the forum would be irresponsible with a weapon in the parks i have my suspicions that this will add a new element of danger for The animals first off, and secondly the people who are trying to enjoy the park.

that's all i wanted to say.
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You have to remember that the individuals that are allowed to carry in the parks are already allowed to carry on the street and they have already met the requirements to do so. It's not lettng more people carry guns. It's letting the ones who are legally able to carry to carry them in more places. I think that we have to worry more about the 4 legged animals that prey on the innocent when they are isolated in the wilderness but I'll stop there because I really don't want this thread to digress to the point to where it has to be moved. I personaly won't camp out or hike in isolation without a backup under any circumstance.
 
Sharp_newbie said:
Well, i don't mean to offend but i think this is a horrible idea. why the hell would you guys be excited that a bunch of idiots (at this point I'm going to say that I am not generalizing that ONLY America has idiots, or that people with guns are idiots. iI'm just saying that there are a lot of irresponsible people in the WORLD and SOME of those people live in America and carry guns.) where was i? oh right, that a bunch of Yahoo's will be walking into your national parks armed. Then what is the purpose of a national park? i thought the whole point was for the protection of animals? As much as i don't think that anyone here at the forum would be irresponsible with a weapon in the parks i have my suspicions that this will add a new element of danger for The animals first off, and secondly the people who are trying to enjoy the park.

that's all i wanted to say.
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Well, you are correct, there are a lot of idiots, but the majority of us who take the time and money (and hassle) to get our CCW permit are typically not of that crowd. Plenty of yahoos do carry firearms, illegally; hence the reason I carry. The same principal should apply, and that is concealed and discretion. All you'll see with us is a family of four out backpacking; you won't see me or my wife packing and that's the whole point. For the most part, if you don't have CCW permit and it's not during hunting season, than you are poaching which is a steep find. Several National Forests are open for hunting and there was a great (free) gun range on one in South Carolina that I always went to with my son. The good news is that those of us who do obey the law but still want to carry protection can now do without fearing both predators and the law:thumbup:

ROCK6
 
Be careful with this one guys. I think from the reading of this, that if State law restricts carry in the State Parks, then carry in that States part of the National Park still is not legal. It clearly defers to State law on this. Looking for some clarification. You can see the final policy update and some FAQ's at:

http://www.doi.gov/

A quick look at handgunlaw.us shows a LOT of states with restrictions on carry in State Parks. For instance, Great Smokey Mtns National Park spans NC and Tennessee, both of which do not allow CCW in State Parks.
 
The US doesn't slaughter all its animals anymore than the folks north of us do. Allowing firearms into the park doesn't mean we'll all open up on anything with four legs.
 
At one time , not all that long ago, the biggest problem in our national parks was CRIME. I don't know the latest figures. In fact Mexican drug types are growing large amounts of marajuana in OUR national parks !
 
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